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Having (x_n)_{n>0} with x_1,x_2,x_3>0 and x_{n + 3}  = \frac{{x_{n + 2}^2  + 5x_{n + 1}^2  + x_n^2 }}{{x_{n + 2}  + 5x_{n + 1}  + x_n }}\forall n \ge 1
Prove that (x_n)_{n>0} converge.
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Re: Converge(not easy)

silviu wrote:
Having (x_n)_{n>0} with x_1,x_2,x_3>0 and x_{n + 3}  = \frac{{x_{n + 2}^2  + 5x_{n + 1}^2  + x_n^2 }}{{x_{n + 2}  + 5x_{n + 1}  + x_n }}\forall n \ge 1
Prove that (x_n)_{n>0} converge.


x_{n+3} is a weighted average of the x_n, x_{n+1}, x_{n+2} with weights x_n, 5x_{n+1}, x_{n+2}. This means that the (minimal) interval I_n containing x_n, x_{n+1}, x_{n+2} is shrinking, and that the ratios x_i / x_{i+1} are bounded away from zero. If I_{\infty} = [a,b], with a < b, and I = [a - \epsilon, b+ \epsilon], and we take a weighted average of 3 points in I (at least one near a, at least one near b) with any ratio of 2 weights larger than C > 0, then for sufficiently small \epsilon (depending on C, a, b) this weighted average must lie in the interior of (a,b). From this we conclude that a=b, i.e. x_n \to a.

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A better (more constructive) version of the same argument:
there exists some positive constant c < 1 so that
|I_{n+1}| \leq c|I_n|.

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yes fleeting guest its called contractive sequences.They are Cauchy sequence & are hence convergent(R is complete)

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O sorry I am horribly wrong.The contractive sequences are those:

mod(xn+1 -xn) <= c*mod(xn-xn-1) where 0<c<1

Sorry for the mistake..

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The argument above does not show that d_n = |x_n - x_{n-1}| is contracting, it shows d_{n+3} < c d_n. This certainly implies convergence, but in the above argument it is enough that |I_n| \to 0 (not necessarily geometrically). It would be interesting to prove directly that d_{n+1} < c d_n, if that is true.

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