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Post Posted: May 24, 2007, 5:25 pm • # 1 


Suppose that a and b are distinct real numbers such that a-b, \; a^{2}-b^{2}, \; \cdots, \; a^{k}-b^{k}, \; \cdots are all integers. Show that a and b are integers.
 
 
Post Posted: May 24, 2007, 5:25 pm • # 2 


First, we prove that a,b are rational numbers.
a-b \in \mathbb{Q}
a+b = \frac{a^2-b^2}{a-b} \in \mathbb{Q}
a = \frac{(a+b)+(a-b)}2 \in \mathbb{Q}
b = \frac{(a+b)-(a-b)}2 \in \mahtbb{Q}

Then we can find three integers a',b',n such that:
a = \frac{a'}n
b = \frac{b'}n
d \mid a' \land d \mid b' \land d \mid n \Rightarrow |d| = 1
The hypotesis translates to n^k \mid a'^k - b'^k \quad \forall k \in \mahtbb{N}.
Now, n \mid a'-b' and we can suppose (a',n) = 1. Therefore (b',n) = 1.

Let d be the integer such that n^d \mid \mid a'-b'. First, we suppose d>1.
We have n^{d+1} \mid a'^{d+1} - b'^{d+1}  = (a'-b')(a'^d + \ldots + b'^d). We get n \mid (a'^d + \ldots + b'^d), but \gcd(a'-b', a'^d + \ldots + b'^d) \mid n, therefore n \mid \mid (a'^d + \ldots + b'^d) and n^{d+1} \mid \mid a'^{d+1} - b'^{d+1}. (in this step we must remember that d>1).

Now we consider 2(d+1). We know that n^{2d+2} \mid a'^{2d+2} - b'^{2d+2} = (a'^{d+1} + b'^{d+1})(a'^{d+1}-b'^{d+1}). But n^{d+1} \mid \mid a'^{d+1} - b'^{d+1}, then n^{d+1} \mid a'^{d+1} + b'^{d+1} and n^{d+1} \mid (a'^{d+1} + b'^{d+1}) + (a'^{d+1} - b'^{d+1}) = 2a'^{d+1}. But (a',n) = 1, then finally n^{d+1} \mid 2.
But therefore, n=1 and a,b are integers.

If n \mid \mid a'-b', then n^2 \mid (a'+b')(a'-b') and n \mid a'+b' and n \mid 2a', as before. Then n=2 and a',b' are odd integers such that a'-b' is a multiple of 2 but not of 4. Let us take d such that 2^d \mid \mid a'+b'. Let us take a positive integer k such that 2^k - k > d (this obviously exists).
But then 2^{2^k} \mid a'^{2^k} - b'^{2^k} = (a'^{2^{k-1}} - b'^{2^{k-1}}) \cdots (a'^2+b'^2)(a'+b')(a'-b'). We must find 2^k factors 2 in this product. But if x,y are odd integers, 2 \mid \mid x^2+y^2. And 2 \mid \mid a'-b' by hypotesis, and 2^d \mid \mid a'+b' by hypotesis. Therefore we find exactly d + k factors 2 in this product, which is too low.

I hope it is correct!

I hope it is correct!
 
 
Post Posted: Oct 19, 2008, 10:33 am • # 3 


Lets say we showed that a,b are rational (like edriv did). Let: a = \frac {x}{y}, b = \frac {s}{t}, (s,t) = (x,y) = 1

a^n - b^n \in Z, n \in N \leftrightarrow (yt)^n|(xt)^n - (ys)^n. If we show that yt|xt, ys, we get: y|x, t|s, or: a,b are integers. It follows from the following lemma:

Lemma: If a^n|b^n - c^n for all n \in N, where a,b \neq c are integers, then: a|b,c.
Proof: Let p be a prime divisor of a, g = gcd(b,c), (b' = b/g, c = c'/g). We have, by "Lifting the Exponent" lemma:
ord_p(a^n) \le ord_p(b^n - c^n) =
ord_p(g^n) + ord_p(b'^n - c'^n) =
ord_p(g^n) + ord_p(b' - c') + ord_p(n) =
ord_p(n(b - c)g^{n - 1})
or (in the case p=2):
ord_p(a^n) \le ord_p(b^n - c^n) = ord_p(g^{n - 2}(b^2 - c^2)n/2).

We can put that together in the following way - ord_p(a^n) \le ord_p(g^{n - 1}(b^2 - c^2)n).

It implies that: a^n | g^{n}(b^2 - c^2)n for all n>1. Let gcd(a,g) = g'. We have: (\frac {a}{g'})^n|(b^2 - c^2)n, which implies that:
|(\frac {a}{g'})^n| \le |b^2 - c^2|n for all n>1. It can't happen for large n unless b^2 - c^2 = 0 or a = \pm g'.

First case - b^2 = c^2. It means that b = - c, or: a^{2n - 1}|2b^{2n - 1} for all n, which gives a|b, and then also a|c.
Second case - a = \pm g', or: a|b,c.

Q.E.D.

"Lifting the Exponent": If p is an odd prime, and a,b are integers, and: p|a - b, (a,b,p) = 1, we have: ord_p(a^n - n^n) = ord_p(n(a - b))
If p=2, p|a - b, (a,b,p) = 1, we have: ord_p(a^n - n^n) = ord_p(n(a^2 - b^2)/2)

I have dropped out some minor details, ask a question or point an error if you find one.
 
 
Post Posted: Dec 07, 2008, 5:28 am • # 4 


Sorry for spam.But what "GML" mean ?
 
 
Post Posted: Dec 07, 2008, 9:33 am • # 5 


I assume it's George T. Gilbert, Mark I. Krusemeyer, Loren C. Larson, The Wohascum County Problem Book, MAA.

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Arnold's Trivium Project
 
 
Post Posted: Dec 07, 2008, 10:45 am • # 6 


Here is a proof a little bit different from edriv. It is the same up to
n|a'-b', (n,a')=(n,b')=1.

We can also assume n>0 wlog.

Let a'=An+b', we know
n^k|a'^k-b'^k=\sum_{i=2}^k c_i(An)^ib'^{k-i}+kAnb'^{k-1}, where c_i is binomial coefficients.
We can always find big k with (k,n)=1.
Note the first term on RHS is multiple of (An)^2. So we have n^2|kAnb'^{k-1}, or n|A.
Then the first term on RHS is multiple of (An)^2, or n^4. So we have n^4|kAnb'^{k-1}, or n^3|A.
Then the first term on RHS is multiple of (An)^2, or n^8. So we have n^8|kAnb'^{k-1}, or n^7|A.
....
We have n^m|A for any big integer m, A being nonzero finite number implies n=1. Hence a=a' and b=b'
 
 
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