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ehsan2004
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Questions in group theory

I'm new in group theory and I want a little help.

1)Prove that the number of solutions of x^3=e are odds.

2)Let G be a group and a,b \in G , n \in \mathbb{N} and xy^n=y^{n+1}x , yx^n=x^{n+1}y. Show that x=y=e.

3)Let G be a group and A,B be two subgroups of G and |A|+|B|>|G| .Prove that AB=G.

4)Prove that in any group G the number of a \in G which a^2 \not= e are evens and show that if G be a group (|G|=2k) there exists an element a \not=e s.t. a^2=e.
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1. Other than e, for each x such that x^3 = e, x^{-1} is another solution different from x. Group x with x^{-1}, then you can see that the number of solutions is odd.

3. I suppose your G is finite. In this case, it means that if |A| \ge |B|, then 2|A| > |G|, thus |A| = |G|, and actually A = G. Of course AB = GB = G.

4. Similar to 1. If a^2 \neq e, then a \neq a^{-1}. Group a, a^{-1}.
If |G| is even. Then there are even number of elements a with a^2 = e (it's just the complement of the set defined just now). But e is in this set, being even it has at least one other element, nontrivial, in this set. We are done.
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2.
xy = y(yx) = yx^2y = x^3y^2 = x^2(xy^2) = x^5y = x^4y^2x = x^3xy^2x = x^6yx = x^8y
xy = x^5y = x^8y\ \ \to \ \ x = x^5 = x^8
x^5x^{ - 1} = e \ \ \to \ \ x^4 = e
x^8x^{ - 5} = e \ \ \to \ \ x^3 = e
x^4 = xx^3 \ \ \to \ \ x = e
y^2e = ey \ \ \to \ \ y^2y^{ - 1} = e \ \ \to \ \ y = e

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Is it possible to use that solution for other values of n?

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vict85 wrote:
2.
xy = y(yx) = yx^2y = x^3y^2 = x^2(xy^2) = x^5y = x^4y^2x = x^3xy^2x = x^6yx = x^8y
xy = x^5y = x^8y\ \ \to \ \ x = x^5 = x^8
x^5x^{ - 1} = e \ \ \to \ \ x^4 = e
x^8x^{ - 5} = e \ \ \to \ \ x^3 = e
x^4 = xx^3 \ \ \to \ \ x = e
y^2e = ey \ \ \to \ \ y^2y^{ - 1} = e \ \ \to \ \ y = e


thanx, but for n=1 it's trivial ,can you solve it for n=2 ?
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ehsan2004 wrote:
3)Let G be a group and A,B be two subgroups of G and |A| + |B| > |G| .Prove that AB = G.


Well, probably it should be:

Let G be a group and A,B be two subsets of G and |A| + |B| > |G|. Prove that AB = G.
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It wasn't the case n=1...
Anyway...

xy^{n} = y^{n + 1}x
xy^{n}x^{ - 1} = y^{n + 1}
y^{n + 1} \in Orb(y^n)

But y^{n + 1} \in G_{y^n}

G_{y^n} \cap Orb(y^n) = \{ y^n \}

So y^{n + 1} = y^n\ \ \to \ \ y = e

x^{n + 1}e = ex \ \ \to \ \ x^{n + 1}x^{ - n} = e \ \ \to \ \ x = e

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What is G_{y^n}?

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LydianRain wrote:
What is G_{y^n}?


I suppose he means the stabilizer of the conjugacy action. But I have no idea why G_{y^n} \cap Orb(y^n) = \{ y^n \} is true.
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Soarer wrote:
LydianRain wrote:
What is G_{y^n}?


I suppose he means the stabilizer of the conjugacy action. But I have no idea why G_{y^n} \cap Orb(y^n) = \{ y^n \} is true.


Blush in fact it's not true... I consider in the wrong way the relation |Orb(x)|=[G : G_x]

Counterexample:
(456)(123)(465) = (123)

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