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djimenez
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This is taken from another topic, but it applies to here
Valentin Vornicu wrote:
probability1.01 wrote:
c) this is 8th grade?!? It's a wonder the US team can even compete with the Romanian team in the IMO
Actually this is 7th grade. The answer is obviously yes, and usually the US Team does much better. The MOSP dramatically increases the knowledge of any US student attending it, thus any previous difference encountered is overcome. In plus the chances of getting 6 very good people out of 300 millions is much greater than to get 6 great students out of 20 millions
With that argument, well, we could say that the winner of the IMO have to be China! Second place India, and third USA .
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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 10:35 am
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djimenez wrote:
This is taken from another topic, but it applies to here
Valentin Vornicu wrote:
probability1.01 wrote:
c) this is 8th grade?!? It's a wonder the US team can even compete with the Romanian team in the IMO
Actually this is 7th grade. The answer is obviously yes, and usually the US Team does much better. The MOSP dramatically increases the knowledge of any US student attending it, thus any previous difference encountered is overcome. In plus the chances of getting 6 very good people out of 300 millions is much greater than to get 6 great students out of 20 millions
With that argument, well, we could say that the winner of the IMO have to be China! Second place India, and third USA .
Not really. You are not taking in account the fact that the procent of the population going to school is more or less closer to say 90% in all China, USA and Romania, but really really smaller in India. So the fact that they have a larger general population, doesn't mean that the pool of possible IMOers is larger
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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 1:56 pm
djimenez
Navier-Stokes Equations
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Valentin Vornicu wrote:
djimenez wrote:
This is taken from another topic, but it applies to here
Valentin Vornicu wrote:
probability1.01 wrote:
c) this is 8th grade?!? It's a wonder the US team can even compete with the Romanian team in the IMO
Actually this is 7th grade. The answer is obviously yes, and usually the US Team does much better. The MOSP dramatically increases the knowledge of any US student attending it, thus any previous difference encountered is overcome. In plus the chances of getting 6 very good people out of 300 millions is much greater than to get 6 great students out of 20 millions
With that argument, well, we could say that the winner of the IMO have to be China! Second place India, and third USA .
Not really. You are not taking in account the fact that the procent of the population going to school is more or less closer to say 90% in all China, USA and Romania, but really really smaller in India. So the fact that they have a larger general population, doesn't mean that the pool of possible IMOers is larger
Yes, of course I understand that, I was just making the remark on the kind of argument done.
By the way, where did you get the percentage, because during my first year in Grad School I use to study pretty often with to chinease friends (Quals ), and acconding to them, just about the 6.5% of the people gets into college (and that is over eighty millions ), and I know in most of the countries, less than half of the people who finishes high school gets into college, but now, the percentage does not mach too much.
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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 5:33 pm
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I think Indonesia can do the best...
And I think China, USA ........ and for ASEAN : Vietnam[/quote]
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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 8:29 pm
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Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 12:09 am
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of course China!
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 6:23 am
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Who knows??? Cozy-Shorts
I think that this year, either china, USA or Russia will dominate simply because they tend to do well in general. From a pool of "over 80 million", China has alot of potential to do well, but with the declining global standard for mathematical teaching, we can safely say that learning math is more up to the individual students than the general school system, so I think that the results we will see stand a fair (about 5-20%) chance of surprising us.
My actual belief is, if the "big 3" don't make it, than Romania, Bulgaria or Vietnam will stand the most chance of dominating (of course, I vote Romania... )
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Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2005 9:43 pm
djimenez
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122 voters so far and no even one person has voted by Japan!
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Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 8:27 am
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Seems the battle is going to be between China, Russia and USA
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Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 8:29 am
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Of course iran will win........
Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 4:46 am
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I am probably the worst person by far in math here but it seems to me that US has a small chance this year because they did not get any perfect USAMO's and the top imo gold medalists are in college
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Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 10:18 am
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P versus NP
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Well,it seems to be China to have the best votes.
However Vietnam will try our best . may be we will be lucky this year
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2005 6:54 pm
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imo team is well prepared for this year competition and we hope to repeat our glorious victory like .
but if to speak with truth the china is predictable but if russia profs are like myth then you can call them problem solving
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 2:27 am
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100% Iran
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 2:40 am
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Riemann Hypothesis
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Korea is out of consideration?
bleh
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 3:43 am
Valentin Vornicu
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Korea was not in the top 10 countries last year, so it was not included in the Poll. For next year's poll this year's first 10 countries will be nominated in the poll.
I wonder how accurate this poll will be in the end
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 5:47 am
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Another ranking way
First, i have a personnal idea :I knew Romania mainly by gymnastics , then i found out romanians are also excellent at gymnastics of the mind which is mathematics. This country didn't cease to amaze the world with incredible accomplishments , and for me it's always the winner of the imo since it is a small country (big with it's human ressources) , why should we you compare it to china ,russia or usa? Even though i am expecting that romania will have a lot to show off this year ,and why not surprising us again by winning the imo as i voted !!!!!!!!!!!?
BUNA ROMANIA
Second, each country prepares the imo in particular standards according the importance given to the field and to the responsabilities of the students. For example in morroco only students in their last year of highschool are allowed to participate, and are unfamiliar with olympiad exercises before . how can you expect them to achieve in imo with few months to do everything from A to Z ,with just 1 week training camp!!!, and can they combine with this and with their studies ??, especially that there is a huge exam at the end of the year ...i also mention that there are no rewards for those students , just blames waiting for them when they miss class to to take the imo selection tests ... no use telling you more let's be more optimistic, it's also the case in other countries...all i want to say is that the ranking of a country is determined by how she can make the most of its means not how great its means are...i am not trying to alleviate the values of some countries results neither to boost others, but there are things hidden behind the marks, maybe gold medals covered by bronze...Finally i say good luck to all the teams and i hope one day all countries will be able to compete with this top ten
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 3:44 pm
erdos
Riemann Hypothesis
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I totally agree with you wismaniac. If we could get more trained, we can be in the top ten too, but unfortunatly, this is not the case. I hope we will be more efficient in the coming years
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 1:29 am
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Korea will do much better than last year!!
Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 1:56 am
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IRAN, will win...
lets find the probability that they wont win:
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