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shallow
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Grad School Help
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I finished my undergrad degree this last June, I had applied to grad schools in December of my senior year like you're supposed to, but didn't get in anywhere.

I've been trying to find a job as an actuary, passed an actuary exam, looking to take another one, but finding a job is still hard.

Anyway, that doesn't matter since I don't want to be an actuary, I want to study math. Please help me figure out where I have a reasonable shot of getting accepted in my current situation.

school: UCSC
GPA: 3.0
major GPA: 3.3
major: Math (pure concentration)
GRE: 500 verb, 800 quant
math GRE: 620 (should have signed up to retake this a couple months ago)

I took as many math classes as I possibly could, once I figured out I wanted to do math. I ended with 20 undergrad math classes (~100 credits) and 5 graduate classes (25 credits), graduated in 4 years and did relatively well in the grad classes(B/B+'s with one A-), also wrote a thesis.

grad classes covered: rings & modules, fields & galois theory, commutative algebra (ch1-9 of atiyah), measure theory, Lp spaces, functional analysis, some spectral theory

I know I'm not going to Princeton or Harvard, but I want to find the place where I can do my best possible phd work under the circumstances.

My main interests are in the direction of Commutative algebra, Algebraic Geometry, and soft analysis. Though I haven't learned any algebraic number theory or much algebraic topology, I am fairly confident if I continue studying homological algebra (as I currently am), that I will end up set on Algebraic Geometry.

any personal experiences or lesser known places with great faculty are also appreciated

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shallow wrote:
graduated in 4 years and did relatively well in the grad classes(B/B+'s with one A-)


At most graduate programs that I am familiar with, anything less than an A is a poor grade, and any type of B is a horrible grade. It may be different at your particular program but this is very unlikely to impress prospective graduate programs. As is, I don't think you have a chance at any top 30 graduate Ph.D programs in math. It's possible that you could get in somewhere for a master's, do great, and then reapply to better Ph.D programs though.

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I wouldn't go so far as to say a B in a graduate course is a horrible grade. There are certainly people with similar GPAs to yours who get into Math grad schools. It's all in the context of what type of school you're hoping to get into. If you don't mind saying, what grad schools did you apply to in your senior year? (And you should think about who you had to write your recommendations for you and if they were the best people to have asked.)

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If you don't mind saying, what grad schools did you apply to in your senior year?


I applied to several schools (some I'd rather not mention out of embarrassment) including a few of the UC's (santa barbara, san diego, and la), the last two were long shots for sure, but I thought it was worth a shot considering the size of their departments.

In hindsight, I should have definitely applied to my undergrad school, but I had heard a change of scenery and department was recommended in the transition from undergrad to grad school and figured santa barbara was about the same size and type of department anyway.

I realize it may be hard to (or some may not want to) suggest realistic schools for me at a forum where people are deciding between mit and harvard, but could you try looking at this list of my current planned apps and make any additions or removals as you see fit.

PhD:
UCSC
UCSB
Notre Dame (no masters)

Masters:
U Maryland
U Oregon
Texas A&M
U Arizona

I'm not planning on applying to all of these necessarily. Feel free to slap me in the face if I'm being too ambitions with my selections(again).

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shallow wrote:
I finished my undergrad degree this last June, I had applied to grad schools in December of my senior year like you're supposed to, but didn't get in anywhere. I've been trying to find a job as an actuary, passed an actuary exam, looking to take another one, but finding a job is still hard.

Anyway, that doesn't matter since I don't want to be an actuary, I want to
study math.


Well, If you didn't want to be an actuary, why did you attempt those actuary examinations? (I do understand that the job market isn't great). You could have invested the time which you had spent in those actuary examinations to prepare well for the Math subject GRE. Probably, you might have got a 'stellar' score in the first attempt itself.

shallow wrote:
I'm not planning on applying to all of these necessarily. Feel free to slap me in the face if I'm being too ambitions with my selections(again).


Based upon your posts I had observed that you're displaying a low degree of self-confidence. Just because, someone remarked rather implicitly that your grades are horrible doesn't mean that you're completely worthless. Actually, it would have been far wise had you -- instead of investing your time in those actuary examinations-- invested in preparing well for the Math subject GRE. Also, as an addendum to blahblahblah sir's advice-- I would advise or rather suggest you to re-take the Math subject GRE and perform really well on it. (Say, getting in the 98 or 99 percentile range). It might shore up your application to some extent.

(In the given circumstances I think it would be better or wise if you could follow blahblahblah sir's advice-- along with the addendum that I had suggested).


shallow wrote:
I realize it may be hard to (or some may not want to) suggest realistic schools for me at a forum where people are deciding between mit and harvard, but could you try looking at this list of my current planned apps and make any additions or removals as you see fit.


Not everyone on this forum is from MIT or Harvard. This forum constitutes a high percentage of middle-schoolers. Mr. Green

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Well, If you didn't want to be an actuary, why did you attempt those actuary examinations?


As much as I'd like to, I can't exactly to sit around not working for a year until I can start grad school. So I wanted to find a decent paying job that was at least somewhat mathematically intensive in order to have some real world experience, a savings account, and a possible backup plan.

In my "zeal" of pursuing the actuarial track, I neglected to sign up for the October and November GRE subject test dates (next available one is in April). I know this was a HUGE mistake.

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Based upon your posts I had observed that you're displaying a low degree of self-confidence


I hope understandably so, after being rejected from every graduate school I applied to.

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In the given circumstances I think it would be better or wise if you could follow blahblahblah sir's advice-- along with the addendum that I had suggested


Thank you both for the advice. I'll try mostly masters programs this year, and if that doesn't work I'll be sure to retake the GRE subject test and reapply the year after that.

If anybody has any comments or opinions on the programs I listed earlier, particularly the master's programs, I'd greatly appreciate it.

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shallow, one question that you should ask yourself and answer honestly is: Why is your application so weak? Specifically, does it reflect your actual mathematical abilities or not? And assuming that the answer is no, why is that? Have you changed in some way?

These are tough questions, but they are important. While I sincerely believe that anyone who wants to major in math in college should do so, I don't believe that anyone who wants a PhD in math should pursue one. The reason is that embarking on a PhD is embarking on a specific career path, so you should have some idea of what you intend to *do* with that PhD and what your chances of success are.

While I agree with the idea that it's nice to go somewhere different for graduate school than undergrad, it is sometimes the case that the best school that will accept you is your alma mater.

Finally, the number of people who regularly post on AoPS who could have chosen between Harvard and MIT for a math PhD can surely be counted on two hands. Even the number of AoPSers who will face such a choice in the future is probably much smaller than you think. You're talking about a population of at most a couple dozen people in the world per year.

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shallow, one question that you should ask yourself and answer honestly is: Why is your application so weak? Specifically, does it reflect your actual mathematical abilities or not? And assuming that the answer is no, why is that? Have you changed in some way?


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The reason is that embarking on a PhD is embarking on a specific career path, so you should have some idea of what you intend to *do* with that PhD and what your chances of success are.


I appreciate the questions and I have been thinking about these things ever since I started thinking about graduate school. I don't know if you intended me to answer these, but my intent to pursue a PhD is not half-hearted or nonchalant in any way, I have very clear career and life goals, and a PhD in math plays an integral role in that.

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