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differentiate x^x

(a) Find \frac{d}{dx}(x^{x}).

(b) Find \frac{d}{dx}(x^{x^{x^{x^...}}}). For what values of x is this undefined?

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a) Let y=x^x. Then \ln y=x\ln x, and so \frac 1y\cdot\frac{dy}{dx}=1+\ln x, which implies, \frac{dy}{dx}=x^x(1+\ln x).
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Thanks nayel. I've come across the first part a number of times.For the second part I can do x^{x^{x}}} and I'm thinking of building the general case up bit by bit but I'm not sure about it.

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This might be useful: let y=x^{x^{x^{\dots}}} and D_n=\frac{d}{dx}(x^{x^{x^{\dots}}})=\frac{dy}{dx} (there are n x's). Then D_{n+1}=\frac{d}{dx}(x^y)=\frac yx+\frac{dy}{dx}\cdot\ln x=\frac{x^{x^{x^{\dots}}}}{x}+D_n\ln x.
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Are there infinite x's in the exponent? Or do you want it for n x's?
If infinite:

y= x^{x^{x^{x...}}} = x^y
\ln y = y \ln x \Rightarrow \frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{y^2}{x(1-y\ln x)}, which is undefined for x=0 and x=e^{1/e}.

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x^{x}=e^{x\ln x}
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Thanks to all of you.

kunny, I can see how x^{x} = e^{x \ln x} gives the first part; you can we use it for the second part?

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kcn2rivers wrote:
Are there infinite x's in the exponent? Or do you want it for n x's?
If infinite:

y = x^{x^{x^{x...}}} = x^y
\ln y = y \ln x \Rightarrow \frac {dy}{dx} = \frac {y^2}{x(1 - y\ln x)}, which is undefined for x = 0 and x = e^{1/e}.


Note that y=x^{x^{\ldots}} only* converges for x \in [1/e^e, \; e^{1/e}], so dy/dx does not exist outside of that interval. Within that interval, your analysis is valid, so dy/dx is additionally invalid for x= 0, e^{1/e}.

Thus, the final interval over which dy/dx is meaningful is [1/e^e, e^{1/e})


* -- I'm actually not entirely sure if the left-side bracket should be open or closed here.
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Hi TZF. How would you go about finding the convergence interval?

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Is x=0 not outside the convergence interval as well?

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There is more discussion on the infinite tower y=x^{x^{x^{x^{x...}}}} here.

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Thanks Patterns_34; that just what I wanted.

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