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Well, I bring up the series 7 question because from what I've seen people asking, all the questions related to trading have been about things other than actual trading knowledge, such as math. A series 7 shows that the person actually knows something (or perhaps a lot) about trading while being good or even awesome at math simply doesn't. (Please note that I did not say math wasn't important).

For instance, my partner, who is the same age as me (19) got his series 7 a few months after turning 18 when he was working for the summer at a Smith Barney down in South Florida. (I also studied with him and know the material just as well as he does, but I wasn't eligible). He has been actively trading since then and plans to continue. If say, someone like that, with actual trading experience, as opposed to math experience, applied for a job, how would this someone be evaluated?


Depends on what he is applying for, and what that trading experience is. That sort of experience is certainly a plus when trying to get a job. Note that I say the experience is a plus, not the Series 7. I don't think the Series 7 is evidence of significant employable trading knowledge, but the experience may be.

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what is a series 7 license?

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Series 7 is a brutally boring standardized test that you have to pass in order to be able to perform certain functions in the financial world. Not all people involved in trading have to take it.

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How much Comp Sci is *required* (strongly strongly recommended)? And what aspects of compsci are most important? For example, actual literacy in a language, compared to the right "style of thinking" in terms of approaching problems (but possibly still needing to look up specific commands, etc.). I think literacy comes with experience, so it's not exactly two separate things, but still.

Also, say I am going for a math/economics double major at MIT. How big of a deal would a Business (specifically called Management here) minor be?
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How much Comp Sci is *required* (strongly strongly recommended)? And what aspects of compsci are most important? For example, actual literacy in a language, compared to the right "style of thinking" in terms of approaching problems (but possibly still needing to look up specific commands, etc.). I think literacy comes with experience, so it's not exactly two separate things, but still.

Also, say I am going for a math/economics double major at MIT. How big of a deal would a Business (specifically called Management here) minor be?


For a hedge fund job, the most important thing would be programming experience/ability (as opposed to comp sci, which might be knowledge of comp sci theory, which isn't as important).

The business won't hurt, but it won't be a huge plus for hedge funds (it may be for investment banks). Internships, however, would help both your eventual candidacy, and help you make a decision about what's right for you.

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how exactly would one gain programming ability/experience through college without working in comp sci?

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how exactly would one gain programming ability/experience through college without working in comp sci?


Buy a book and play. Try to program a simple game. Explore -- just like in math.

There is a USACO website for students who have some experience and want to take their skills to a higher level.

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how exactly would one gain programming ability/experience through college without working in comp sci?


Basically, I'm trying to draw a distinction between those comp sci classes which focus more on theory and those classes that actually teach you how to code. For example, the base programming class at Princeton when I was there was taught in the civil engineering department, not in the CS department.

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Seems most interesting but I have never got a chance to get in touch with those people doing research in the investment bank here in Hong Kong. I wonder if there are any chance of S.O.H.O. type analyst job available on the web Blush ?

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well i have read previous post and have heard you often say try to get an intership. I am wondering how competative is it to get one of these internship positions?

Aslo I dont attend a big name school (like MIT, Harvard, Princeton, ect.) but plan to go to try and get into a grad school that is in that prestiege class. do you think this will hurt me if i try and become a quant?
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well i have read previous post and have heard you often say try to get an intership. I am wondering how competative is it to get one of these internship positions?

Aslo I dont attend a big name school (like MIT, Harvard, Princeton, ect.) but plan to go to try and get into a grad school that is in that prestiege class. do you think this will hurt me if i try and become a quant?


The internships are in general more competitive than the full-time hire slots, because there are far fewer of them.

Your planned post-graduate path will only be an obstacle if you don't intend to go into the field after undergrad. If you get a PhD from one of the top 10 or so schools, your not going to a top 10 school for undergrad shouldn't hurt you. If you're not in a top 10-20 school as an undergrad, then you'll likely have to get a PhD somewhere to have a shot at an interview. This isn't a hard-and-fast rule, but most firms receive thousands of resumes a month; they have to have some filter.

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No matter what school you go to, making connections will probably do you more good than any university name on your resume. I've worked for 8 different companies (some as a contractor for short periods) in 11 years since graduating high school. With the exception of the actuarial job I worked for over 2 years in college, my initial contact with all of them was through somebody I knew who believed I would be a good hire (including AoPS -- though more directly than in the other cases). I've been offered about two dozen jobs that I didn't take during that time and in every single case, the initial conversation arose as a direct result of previous connections.

So, get to know the people you work with in any capacity. That way there will be people out in the world who know what you can do. The fact is, there are only a tiny number of resumes in a large stack that say more than when somebody I trust says to me, "I know this smart guy who..."

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Hi, Is statistics by itself too narrow a specialisation (without finance/ economics and the like) to find a job as a Quant?

Thanks

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Re: Statistics
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Hi, Is statistics by itself too narrow a specialisation (without finance/ economics and the like) to find a job as a Quant?

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Most statistics jobs require you to learn another discipline, such as actuarial work, bioinformatics, etc. That's pretty much true for all applied math disciplines, though it might not necessarily entail additional coursework depending on the job and the person.

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Hi, thanks for replying , the statistics course i've been offered would cover medical statistics at a deeper level than stochastic finance. This being a second degree, i was wondering about the mobility between fields and what kind of postgraduate course would be versatile but yet provide strong fundamentals for research and trader type positions? Would the statistics course be too narrow in that it does not cover multivariate calculus, differential equations etc..etc..etc..

Many thanks!

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Hi, thanks for replying , the statistics course i've been offered would cover medical statistics at a deeper level than stochastic finance. This being a second degree, i was wondering about the mobility between fields and what kind of postgraduate course would be versatile but yet provide strong fundamentals for research and trader type positions? Would the statistics course be too narrow in that it does not cover multivariate calculus, differential equations etc..etc..etc..

Many thanks!


Mobility between fields depends a lot on how well you're able to train and retrain yourself and how closely related the fields are (or how well you know somebody working in a field who trusts you and might hire you).

I would recommend not viewing education in terms of what course would help you get where, but rather choose something you want to do, then learn everything you can about it, whether or not you're in school.

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as stated before the level of competition for internship positions is very high.
I assume that after u send in a resume w/ you initial application they then select a few to conduct interviews with, how hard is it to get an interview if you don't go to a school like Harvard, MIT, and other schools with that kind of reputation.
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as stated before the level of competition for internship positions is very high.
I assume that after u send in a resume w/ you initial application they then select a few to conduct interviews with, how hard is it to get an interview if you don't go to a school like Harvard, MIT, and other schools with that kind of reputation.


Nearly impossible if you don't lose the chatspeak.

If you've got the talent, the interests, and credentials backing up the two, it's always possible to get an interview.

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maokid7 wrote:
as stated before the level of competition for internship positions is very high.
I assume that after u send in a resume w/ you initial application they then select a few to conduct interviews with, how hard is it to get an interview if you don't go to a school like Harvard, MIT, and other schools with that kind of reputation.


Nearly impossible if you don't lose the chatspeak.

If you've got the talent, the interests, and credentials backing up the two, it's always possible to get an interview.

thanks for the answer. yes I am aware that there are times when I need to proof read what I have typed/written, I also understand that many things used in chat rooms are not acceptable on a job/internship application.
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This all looks really interesting. I'm thinking about learning something about finance and programming as I major in math, so that perhaps one day I can work for a big firm like this.
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