Virtual score of former USSR?

fleeting_guest · Yang-Mills Theory Offline Joined: 14 Dec 2004 Posts: 900

What is the score of the top 6 students from ex-USSR (Russia + formerly Soviet republics)
Does Russia place #1 if one of its students is replaced by the perfect scorer from Moldova?

Edit: If the two lowest scores of Russia (28 and 30) are replaced by 42 and 42 from Moldova and Ukraine,
one gets 6 gold medals and a total score of 236, one higher than China.

However, one could argue that this is not necessarily the team that would have been selected and we are choosing after the competition.
It would be interesting to take the results of all students from the ex-Soviet territories, assume some randomness in selecting the top students, and see what is the probability that Russia is #1.

**Posted:** Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:48 am

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Fleeting guest! You are correct! The dominence of USSR mathematics at work!!

**Posted:** Tue Jul 19, 2005 4:56 pm

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**Posted:** Tue Jul 19, 2005 6:18 pm

fleeting_guest · Yang-Mills Theory Offline Joined: 14 Dec 2004 Posts: 900

Another question (more speculative) is whether any provinces in China could send a top 10 IMO team, or what would happen if China sent additional teams from its students ranked 7-12, 13-18, etc.

**Posted:** Tue Jul 19, 2005 6:31 pm

manuel · Yang-Mills Theory Offline Joined: 18 Jul 2004 Posts: 748

Why are russians better mathematicians in the future than chinese or asian?
i mean, maybe im wront but this is what i've seen a bit. the strong research professors in math are usually russians or eastern european.
is this because chinese and aisan people are more techinical in solving problems and dedicate more time to algebra and more technical areas and the russians are more creative in their approach and they focus more in combinatorics ?

**Posted:** Tue Jul 19, 2005 6:34 pm

chika

cool. some of you guys are talking about "virtual score" Very Happy

well, why don't we talk about virtual score of china?
taiwan is recognized as part of china by most of the world.(yet, i don't wanna talk about the historical argument for now)
china has 4 perfect scorers while taiwan has 2. Very Happy

then you guys do the maths. does former USSR still beat china?

by the way, hongkong did pretty well,too.

china ranked no.1 8 times and no country has beaten china twice since 1995. (didn't check the stats before 1995)

well, there are many reasons why the chinese mathematicians aren't as good as those in europe and north america, such as low quality education in the chinese universities, but it's definitely not because they're not clever enough.

**Posted:** Wed Jul 20, 2005 12:34 am

shobber

**Posted:** Wed Jul 20, 2005 1:31 am

Fedor Petrov

**Posted:** Wed Jul 20, 2005 1:50 am

shobber

My record shows that:
1988 USSR: 217 China: 201
1989 China: 237 USSR: 217
1990 China: 230 USSR: 193
1991 USSR: 241 China: 231

**Posted:** Wed Jul 20, 2005 1:54 am

Fedor Petrov

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**Posted:** Wed Jul 20, 2005 9:48 am

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I dont understand what u mean Fedor? Chto ti imeyesh vidu Fedor? Ya xochu chtobi oni ne ponili chto ya napisal, ti bil na imo?

**Posted:** Wed Jul 20, 2005 5:38 pm

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Fedor Petrov

Hello, I do not mean nothing special. I just sum up best 6 six results of post-Soviet contestants and get 247. For China nad Taiwan, it is $6\times 42$ .

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**Posted:** Wed Jul 20, 2005 11:02 pm

Yossarian

**Posted:** Fri Jul 22, 2005 1:50 am

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Fine. Thanks. Overworked as usual. You?

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What about Belarus, LEVIN (BLR4) HAS 42 AND BELARUS was in USSR!

**Posted:** Fri Jul 22, 2005 4:03 am

Xixas

Well done, Levin and all Belarussian team!

**Posted:** Fri Jul 22, 2005 10:22 am

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**Posted:** Mon Aug 01, 2005 10:50 pm

manuel · Yang-Mills Theory Offline Joined: 18 Jul 2004 Posts: 748

maybe i'm a bit ignorant but, what i've seen in the strong math departments of the world's university is eastern european names and russian names..
few asian..
though obviuosly there are some excellent asian mathematicians..
but i think the difference come when the asians see math more as a science and tend to be more technical (you said 'scientists and mathematicians') and there research might be complicated and good but they might lack of the aesthetic sense...
in the other hand, russians and eastern europeans.. are known for their beautiful, brilliant , artistic and direct results in math..
you can see this for example china is known for their algebra strength (a more linear way of thinking) and russia is known for their strenght in combinatorics (ingenious ideas)

**Posted:** Tue Aug 02, 2005 7:27 pm

fleeting_guest · Yang-Mills Theory Offline Joined: 14 Dec 2004 Posts: 900

**Posted:** Thu Aug 04, 2005 2:19 pm

manuel · Yang-Mills Theory Offline Joined: 18 Jul 2004 Posts: 748

true, fleeting-guest..
i think the russian logic and way of thinking enables students to do well in olympiads (maybe not all perfect scorers) but also be prepared for future research and harder problem solving.
the chinese way of training students it is basically based in TRAINING as a methodic, algorithmic and automatic job. and math is not just this. it is learning math. and sometimes too much olympiad training can be dangerous to matheamtics. for more on this topic visit this topic and read my first post..
http://www.artofproblemsolving.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?t=44859&postorder=asc&start=40

**Posted:** Thu Aug 04, 2005 7:44 pm