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Limit

Evaluate the limit as h approaches 0:

\frac {1}{h} (\frac {1}{\sqrt {1+h}}-1)

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Huh? Huh? Huh? Huh? what is a LIMIT?

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have you taken (pre)calculus? He wants you to find \lim_{h\rightarrow 0} \frac{1}{h} \left( \frac{1}{\sqrt{1+h}}-1 \right). If you don't know what that is, it's just the value that f(h) gets closer and closer to...
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Re: Limit

Derek wrote:
Evaluate the limit as h approaches 0:

\frac {1}{h} (\frac {1}{\sqrt {1+h}}-1)


If u ask L'Hospital he would tell u that the limit is L= \lim_{h \to 0} \left ( -\frac{1}{2}(1+h)^{-\frac{3}{2}} \right ) = -\frac{1}{2}
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Let's treat this as an exercise somewhere near the boundary between precalculus and first-semester calculus. In other words, we never heard of L'Hôpital, and maybe don't yet know what a derivative is.

\lim_{h\to0}\frac1h\left(\frac1{\sqrt{1+h}}-1\right).

Let's see - if h is very small, then \sqrt{1+h}, and its reciprocal, must be very near 1. Subtract 1 and you get something very small. Now divide by h - uh-oh, what's a very small number divided by a very small number? The answer to that is "It depends - how small and how small?" We can't settle the issue without doing some more work. (By the way, that's what " \frac00 " means: not literally zero over literally zero, but very small over very small.)

Since we don't know any calculus yet, we must fall back on what we do know: algebra.

\frac1h\left(\frac1{\sqrt{1+h}}-1\right)= \frac1h\left(\frac{1-\sqrt{1+h}}{\sqrt{1+h}}\right)

At this point, note that the \sqrt{1+h} in the denominator is harmless - it might as well be 1. We don't need to do anything about it. We do need to do something about the 1-\sqrt{1+h} in the numerator, which is far from harmless, being a non-obvious version of "very small." So we attack that - we choose to rationalize the numerator.

\frac1h\left(\frac{1-\sqrt{1+h}}{\sqrt{1+h}}\right)= \frac1h\left(\frac{1-\sqrt{1+h}}{\sqrt{1+h}}\cdot\frac{1+\sqrt{1+h}} {1+...

=\frac{-h}{h\sqrt{1+h}\,(1+\sqrt{1+h})}= \frac{-1}{\sqrt{1+h}\,(1+\sqrt{1+h})}

Now let h tend to zero. All the parts of the denominator are now harmless and predictable, and we can see that the limit must be -\frac12.

What in that solution was the least obvious and required the most insight? The choice to rationalize the numerator rather than the denominator. Can you see why I did that?

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Of course, if you free me from the "boundary of precalculus and Calculus I" constraint and let me use all of my favorite tools, I'll use Newton's Binomial Theorem for this one:

\lim_{h\to0}\frac1h\left((1+h)^{-\frac12}-1\right)= \lim_{h\to0}\frac1h\left((1-\frac h2+O(h^2))-1\right)

=\lim_{h\to0}\left(-\frac12+O(h)\right)=-\frac12.

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Besides, this is just the derivative of (1+x)^{-\frac 12} at x=0; using L'Hopital would be circular.

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Derek
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Yes we assume that the person has never heard of L'Hopital rule before, although it would be convenient to use it.

Thanks guys.

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