MIT Admissions Math Jam
Go back to the Math Jam ArchiveMatt McGann, Associate Director of Admissions at MIT, and Kiran Kedlaya, Associate Professor of Mathematics (and former IMO gold medalist and Putnam winner), will discuss MIT and the admissions process.
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Facilitator: Matt McGann
rrusczyk
2010-10-05 19:24:36
Greetings and welcome to today's Massachusetts Institute of Technology Math Jam! The Math Jam will begin at 7:30 PM ET/4:30 PM PT.
Greetings and welcome to today's Massachusetts Institute of Technology Math Jam! The Math Jam will begin at 7:30 PM ET/4:30 PM PT.
rrusczyk
2010-10-05 19:31:13
Greetings and welcome to today's Massachusetts Institute of Technology Math Jam!
Greetings and welcome to today's Massachusetts Institute of Technology Math Jam!
rrusczyk
2010-10-05 19:31:20
Before I introduce our special guests, I would like to briefly explain our classroom to those who have not previously attended a Math Jam or online class.
Before I introduce our special guests, I would like to briefly explain our classroom to those who have not previously attended a Math Jam or online class.
rrusczyk
2010-10-05 19:31:55
This classroom is moderated. This means that the messages you type will come to the moderators rather than going directly into the room. The moderators may choose some of the messages and questions to share with all of the participants.
This classroom is moderated. This means that the messages you type will come to the moderators rather than going directly into the room. The moderators may choose some of the messages and questions to share with all of the participants.
rrusczyk
2010-10-05 19:32:02
Only the moderators have the ability to send private messages in the classroom. Sometimes they will use these to privately respond to your comments.
Only the moderators have the ability to send private messages in the classroom. Sometimes they will use these to privately respond to your comments.
rrusczyk
2010-10-05 19:32:17
There are likely to be a lot of questions. Please be patient -- the moderators will be answering questions as quickly as they can, but it may take some time for them to get to yours. Also, your question may not necessarily be selected to be answered; please do not take this personally, as we only have a finite amount of time and there may be a lot of questions, so some may not get taken. Please only ask your question once.
There are likely to be a lot of questions. Please be patient -- the moderators will be answering questions as quickly as they can, but it may take some time for them to get to yours. Also, your question may not necessarily be selected to be answered; please do not take this personally, as we only have a finite amount of time and there may be a lot of questions, so some may not get taken. Please only ask your question once.
rrusczyk
2010-10-05 19:32:57
In addition, there may be a delay between when your question appears and when it is answered -- please be patient and give our guests time to type in thorough answers. Please don't ask your question repeatedly; they'll get to it!
In addition, there may be a delay between when your question appears and when it is answered -- please be patient and give our guests time to type in thorough answers. Please don't ask your question repeatedly; they'll get to it!
rrusczyk
2010-10-05 19:33:03
Now let me introduce our special guests from MIT.
Now let me introduce our special guests from MIT.
rrusczyk
2010-10-05 19:33:16
Matt McGann is the Associate Director of Admissions at MIT. Not only is Matt one of the people who reads applications and decides who is admitted, he is also an MIT alumnus (class of 2000), so he can likely answer a lot of your questions about undergraduate life at MIT. Matt's home page is http://www.mitadmissions.org/Matt.shtml.
Matt McGann is the Associate Director of Admissions at MIT. Not only is Matt one of the people who reads applications and decides who is admitted, he is also an MIT alumnus (class of 2000), so he can likely answer a lot of your questions about undergraduate life at MIT. Matt's home page is http://www.mitadmissions.org/Matt.shtml.
rrusczyk
2010-10-05 19:33:28
Kiran Kedlaya is an Associate Professor of Mathematics at MIT. His research is in arithmetic algebraic geometry and algebraic number theory. Prof. Kedlaya is a former IMO medalist (several times), a Putnam winner (several times) and serves on the AoPS Foundation Board of Directors. His home page is http://www.mit.edu/~kedlaya/.
Kiran Kedlaya is an Associate Professor of Mathematics at MIT. His research is in arithmetic algebraic geometry and algebraic number theory. Prof. Kedlaya is a former IMO medalist (several times), a Putnam winner (several times) and serves on the AoPS Foundation Board of Directors. His home page is http://www.mit.edu/~kedlaya/.
rrusczyk
2010-10-05 19:33:43
At this time I will turn the floor over to Matt and Kiran.
At this time I will turn the floor over to Matt and Kiran.
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 19:33:46
Good evening! Thanks for coming out to the 6th annual MIT Math Jam on AOPS. I'm glad you could make it.
Good evening! Thanks for coming out to the 6th annual MIT Math Jam on AOPS. I'm glad you could make it.
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 19:33:54
Prof. Kedlaya & I will begin fielding questions in just a moment. (format: Name / Grade / State-or-Country: Question; e.g. Matt / 12 / NY: How awesome is MIT?)
Prof. Kedlaya & I will begin fielding questions in just a moment. (format: Name / Grade / State-or-Country: Question; e.g. Matt / 12 / NY: How awesome is MIT?)
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 19:34:00
First, note that over the course of the past 5 years, Prof. Kedlaya & I have answered many questions. The answer to one of your questions may be in a previous Math Jam transcript:
First, note that over the course of the past 5 years, Prof. Kedlaya & I have answered many questions. The answer to one of your questions may be in a previous Math Jam transcript:
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 19:34:08
2009 Math Jam:
http://www.artofproblemsolving.com/School/mathjams.php?mj_id=265
2009 Math Jam:
http://www.artofproblemsolving.com/School/mathjams.php?mj_id=265
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 19:34:14
2008 MIT Math Jam:
http://www.artofproblemsolving.com/School/mathjams.php?mj_id=243
2008 MIT Math Jam:
http://www.artofproblemsolving.com/School/mathjams.php?mj_id=243
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 19:34:20
2007 MIT Math Jam:
http://www.artofproblemsolving.com/School/mathjams.php?mj_id=217
2007 MIT Math Jam:
http://www.artofproblemsolving.com/School/mathjams.php?mj_id=217
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 19:34:25
2006 MIT Math Jam:
http://www.artofproblemsolving.com/School/mathjams.php?mj_id=167
2006 MIT Math Jam:
http://www.artofproblemsolving.com/School/mathjams.php?mj_id=167
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 19:34:30
2005 MIT Math Jam:
http://www.artofproblemsolving.com/School/mathjams.php?mj_id=114
2005 MIT Math Jam:
http://www.artofproblemsolving.com/School/mathjams.php?mj_id=114
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 19:34:43
Also, it is worth noting that the MIT website http://web.mit.edu, the MIT Admissions website http://www.mitadmissions.org, and the MIT Math Department site http://math.mit.edu/ will have the answers to many of your questions. Since the inventor of the World Wide Web, Sir Tim Berners-Lee, is a professor at MIT, we are required to have websites with lots of information.
Also, it is worth noting that the MIT website http://web.mit.edu, the MIT Admissions website http://www.mitadmissions.org, and the MIT Math Department site http://math.mit.edu/ will have the answers to many of your questions. Since the inventor of the World Wide Web, Sir Tim Berners-Lee, is a professor at MIT, we are required to have websites with lots of information.
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 19:34:54
I should also note that an MIT math student, Kate (AOPS sn: k8reindeer), would be happy to field questions on her blog:
http://www.mitadmissions.org/k8r_.shtml
I should also note that an MIT math student, Kate (AOPS sn: k8reindeer), would be happy to field questions on her blog:
http://www.mitadmissions.org/k8r_.shtml
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 19:35:02
Again, Prof. Kedlaya and I will begin taking questions in just a moment (format: Name / Grade / State-or-Country: Question; e.g. Matt / 12 / NY: How awesome is MIT?). But first, I'd like to tell you a few things about MIT, as well as its math department.
Again, Prof. Kedlaya and I will begin taking questions in just a moment (format: Name / Grade / State-or-Country: Question; e.g. Matt / 12 / NY: How awesome is MIT?). But first, I'd like to tell you a few things about MIT, as well as its math department.
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 19:35:11
The basics: MIT is an analytically-focused university in Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA. It is well known for its academics and research in biology, engineering, physics, math, economics, and architecture, among other disciplines.
The basics: MIT is an analytically-focused university in Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA. It is well known for its academics and research in biology, engineering, physics, math, economics, and architecture, among other disciplines.
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 19:35:17
A typical freshman class is about 1100 students, so there will be about 4400 total undergraduates. About 55% of students are male and 45% are female; the largest represented state is California. Students come from all 50 states and over 80 countries.
A typical freshman class is about 1100 students, so there will be about 4400 total undergraduates. About 55% of students are male and 45% are female; the largest represented state is California. Students come from all 50 states and over 80 countries.
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 19:35:23
The math department is pretty exciting. The many, many clases are taught by some of the top math faculty in the world. Most students will do math (or other) research during their time as an undergraduate.
The math department is pretty exciting. The many, many clases are taught by some of the top math faculty in the world. Most students will do math (or other) research during their time as an undergraduate.
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 19:35:35
Also, I don't have any good way to back this up, but I believe that MIT has more International Math Olympiad medalists in its undergraduate student body than any university in the world. However, most MIT math undergraduates don't come in with any such distinction; a pretty fair number of math students have never even heard of the AMC.
Also, I don't have any good way to back this up, but I believe that MIT has more International Math Olympiad medalists in its undergraduate student body than any university in the world. However, most MIT math undergraduates don't come in with any such distinction; a pretty fair number of math students have never even heard of the AMC.
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 19:35:42
In a field like math that can be male-dominated, I think that MIT is one of the best places to study math as an undergraduate woman. Over each of the past three years, an MIT student has won the Schafer Prize, awarded to the top female math student studying in the United States.
In a field like math that can be male-dominated, I think that MIT is one of the best places to study math as an undergraduate woman. Over each of the past three years, an MIT student has won the Schafer Prize, awarded to the top female math student studying in the United States.
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 19:35:50
About admissions: last year, we admitted about 10% of the 16,632 students who applied. There is no formula or secret to admissions. We look for students who are well matched with MIT's culture and mission in a holistic admissions process.
About admissions: last year, we admitted about 10% of the 16,632 students who applied. There is no formula or secret to admissions. We look for students who are well matched with MIT's culture and mission in a holistic admissions process.
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 19:35:56
We certainly look for students with good grades in challenging classes as well as strong test scores, but beyond that we are also looking for students who...
We certainly look for students with good grades in challenging classes as well as strong test scores, but beyond that we are also looking for students who...
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 19:36:02
...are excited about learning and discovery, are interested in solving new, challenging problems, like to collaborate with others, take initiative, appreciate the humanities and arts, and are involved with their communities beyond the classroom doing things they enjoy.
...are excited about learning and discovery, are interested in solving new, challenging problems, like to collaborate with others, take initiative, appreciate the humanities and arts, and are involved with their communities beyond the classroom doing things they enjoy.
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 19:36:08
We can answer more questions about MIT life, math, admissions, or anything else.
We can answer more questions about MIT life, math, admissions, or anything else.
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 19:36:14
I'd like to meet you with your question, so if you could preface your question with your name, grade, and location, that would be great.
I'd like to meet you with your question, so if you could preface your question with your name, grade, and location, that would be great.
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 19:36:19
For example:
For example:
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 19:36:25
Matt / 12 / NY: How awesome is MIT?
Matt / 12 / NY: How awesome is MIT?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 19:36:35
Please be patient; we will get to as many questions as we can.
Please be patient; we will get to as many questions as we can.
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 19:36:48
Anything to add, Prof. Kedlaya, before we begin?
Anything to add, Prof. Kedlaya, before we begin?
kedlaya
2010-10-05 19:37:08
You pretty much said it all, Matt.
You pretty much said it all, Matt.
kedlaya
2010-10-05 19:37:40
Let's dive right into the questions.
Let's dive right into the questions.
kimt9
2010-10-05 19:38:20
Kim, 4th grade, Missouri, USA : Do you have any tips in how to get into MIT?
Kim, 4th grade, Missouri, USA : Do you have any tips in how to get into MIT?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 19:38:22
Kim: For now, concentrate on doing well in school and being involved with things you enjoy. If math is something you enjoy, AOPS is a great place to be. But for the next 7 years or so, I would focus on doing thing you enjoy and not worry so much about college admissions!
Kim: For now, concentrate on doing well in school and being involved with things you enjoy. If math is something you enjoy, AOPS is a great place to be. But for the next 7 years or so, I would focus on doing thing you enjoy and not worry so much about college admissions!
ahaanomegas
2010-10-05 19:40:52
(Ahaan / 11 / FL) What kind of questions is asked during the interview for the admission process?
(Ahaan / 11 / FL) What kind of questions is asked during the interview for the admission process?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 19:40:54
The MIT interview is a chat with a trained MIT graduate in your home area (we don't do interviews on campus). Unlike interviews for, say, Oxford or Cambridge, the MIT interview will not have any math questions. We will mostly try to get to know you, hwo you think, what you enjoy, where you see yourself in the future. No tricky or political questions. It's like an oral essay to complement your written essay, in some ways.
The MIT interview is a chat with a trained MIT graduate in your home area (we don't do interviews on campus). Unlike interviews for, say, Oxford or Cambridge, the MIT interview will not have any math questions. We will mostly try to get to know you, hwo you think, what you enjoy, where you see yourself in the future. No tricky or political questions. It's like an oral essay to complement your written essay, in some ways.
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 19:41:46
If you are applying to MIT this year, you will find the name of your MIT interviewer on your application website: http://my.mit.edu. It is your responsibility to schedule your interview prior to the application deadline.
If you are applying to MIT this year, you will find the name of your MIT interviewer on your application website: http://my.mit.edu. It is your responsibility to schedule your interview prior to the application deadline.
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 19:42:06
More info: http://www.mitadmissions.org/topics/apply/interviews_educational_counselors_ecs/index.shtml
More info: http://www.mitadmissions.org/topics/apply/interviews_educational_counselors_ecs/index.shtml
nickname
2010-10-05 19:43:45
Nicholas / 10 / Ontario, Canada: How does the application process differ for international students? Do you have any advice/comments for international students, in particular those from Canada?
Nicholas / 10 / Ontario, Canada: How does the application process differ for international students? Do you have any advice/comments for international students, in particular those from Canada?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 19:43:48
The international admissions process is mostly the same. We use the same application and will still treat every application in a need blind fashion, and meet every student's full financial need. There is onyl one deadline for international students: January 1. I should note that MIT asks us to have each year's class to be onyl 8% international each year; as such, it is harder to be admitted as an international student.
The international admissions process is mostly the same. We use the same application and will still treat every application in a need blind fashion, and meet every student's full financial need. There is onyl one deadline for international students: January 1. I should note that MIT asks us to have each year's class to be onyl 8% international each year; as such, it is harder to be admitted as an international student.
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 19:44:55
We have interviewers throughout Canada (esp. Ontario, where you are), and will still require standardized tests, teacher recommendations, etc. We are familiar with Canadian transcripts (e.g. we know the different grading system) and how Canadian schools differ from US schools.
We have interviewers throughout Canada (esp. Ontario, where you are), and will still require standardized tests, teacher recommendations, etc. We are familiar with Canadian transcripts (e.g. we know the different grading system) and how Canadian schools differ from US schools.
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 19:45:09
More info: http://www.mitadmissions.org/topics/apply/international_applicants_helpful_tips/index.shtml
More info: http://www.mitadmissions.org/topics/apply/international_applicants_helpful_tips/index.shtml
batter8642
2010-10-05 19:45:20
Alejandro/ 7th Grade/ Puerto Rico, USA: Are there online courses from MIT?
Alejandro/ 7th Grade/ Puerto Rico, USA: Are there online courses from MIT?
kedlaya
2010-10-05 19:45:22
Alejandro: MIT does not run online courses per se, but they have archived a great deal of course material and made it available to the public through the OpenCourseWare project. You might use these to get some idea of what MIT courses are like.
Alejandro: MIT does not run online courses per se, but they have archived a great deal of course material and made it available to the public through the OpenCourseWare project. You might use these to get some idea of what MIT courses are like.
kedlaya
2010-10-05 19:45:43
You can even see a few of my past courses there!
You can even see a few of my past courses there!
Sami21
2010-10-05 19:46:41
Sami / 13 / IL: Which courses in high school would be beneficial to getting admitted to MIT?
Sami / 13 / IL: Which courses in high school would be beneficial to getting admitted to MIT?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 19:46:43
Math through calculus. 4 years of science, including one or more at an advanced level (e.g. AP, IB) if available. 4 years of English. Social studies/history. Foreign Language. Other things you enjoy (for example, if you like music, go for it!).
Math through calculus. 4 years of science, including one or more at an advanced level (e.g. AP, IB) if available. 4 years of English. Social studies/history. Foreign Language. Other things you enjoy (for example, if you like music, go for it!).
sachima
2010-10-05 19:46:54
Diane/16/CT: Would you say that MIT has a particularly strong linguistics department? I know Noam Chomsky was once professor there, and that's one field I'm very interested in studying.
Diane/16/CT: Would you say that MIT has a particularly strong linguistics department? I know Noam Chomsky was once professor there, and that's one field I'm very interested in studying.
kedlaya
2010-10-05 19:46:55
Diane: MIT indeed has one of the strongest linguistics departments around. It's a popular subject among those with math and computer science interests, as there are a number of similarities.
Diane: MIT indeed has one of the strongest linguistics departments around. It's a popular subject among those with math and computer science interests, as there are a number of similarities.
csl824
2010-10-05 19:47:58
Carmela/12/Philippines. How do I submit the teachers' recommendations and school records? thanks
Carmela/12/Philippines. How do I submit the teachers' recommendations and school records? thanks
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 19:47:59
MIT requires two letters of recommendation from teachers: one math or science, and one humanities. You can download the teacher form at the application website, http://my.mit.edu. You can also download a trascript form there. You should mail these to MIT at the address provided.
MIT requires two letters of recommendation from teachers: one math or science, and one humanities. You can download the teacher form at the application website, http://my.mit.edu. You can also download a trascript form there. You should mail these to MIT at the address provided.
number.sense
2010-10-05 19:48:12
Nik, 10th, CA: Are we allowed to declare different majors for different schools? For instance, may I declare my major as Computer Science to University A, but then declare my major as mathematics for MIT?
Nik, 10th, CA: Are we allowed to declare different majors for different schools? For instance, may I declare my major as Computer Science to University A, but then declare my major as mathematics for MIT?
kedlaya
2010-10-05 19:48:14
Nik: At MIT and most other US universities, students don't have to declare their major when they apply. At MIT, students typically choose their major at the end of their first year, although they can switch later. Many do switch later, or add a second major as their interests develop.
Nik: At MIT and most other US universities, students don't have to declare their major when they apply. At MIT, students typically choose their major at the end of their first year, although they can switch later. Many do switch later, or add a second major as their interests develop.
greenhornet12
2010-10-05 19:50:52
Ben/11th grade/IL, USA: How many freshmen are involved with UROP's during their freshmen year or in the summer after?
Ben/11th grade/IL, USA: How many freshmen are involved with UROP's during their freshmen year or in the summer after?
kedlaya
2010-10-05 19:50:53
Ben: Many students participate in UROP (undergraduate research) projects even during their freshman year. I've personally supervised several UROP projects with students in their first or second years. In the math department, besides arranging UROP projects with individual faculty members, students can also apply for the SPUR summer program, in which they are matched with a graduate student mentor and work closely with that person for a few weeks.
Ben: Many students participate in UROP (undergraduate research) projects even during their freshman year. I've personally supervised several UROP projects with students in their first or second years. In the math department, besides arranging UROP projects with individual faculty members, students can also apply for the SPUR summer program, in which they are matched with a graduate student mentor and work closely with that person for a few weeks.
hutian
2010-10-05 19:51:10
Emily/11/TX: Is MIT going to have a cafeteria soon?
Emily/11/TX: Is MIT going to have a cafeteria soon?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 19:51:12
Emily, no need to worry about food. You'll be able to choose from a number of dormitories that offer a full dining hall, including breakfast and dinner. For example, the dorm I lived in, Baker House, has a beautiful dining hall. And this coming year, the beautiful Maseeh Hall will open with a top-of-the-line dining hall for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. It will be sweet!
Emily, no need to worry about food. You'll be able to choose from a number of dormitories that offer a full dining hall, including breakfast and dinner. For example, the dorm I lived in, Baker House, has a beautiful dining hall. And this coming year, the beautiful Maseeh Hall will open with a top-of-the-line dining hall for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. It will be sweet!
wiggly
2010-10-05 19:52:56
Simon /12 / UK: How would you compare an MIT education in mathematics to one from Oxford or Cambridge?
Simon /12 / UK: How would you compare an MIT education in mathematics to one from Oxford or Cambridge?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 19:52:58
Hi Simon, that's a good and interesting question. I would say the biggest difference is that at Oxbridge, you would study *only* math. At MIT, while you would major in math, you would also get to take classes in science, humanities, arts, and more. (Note that MIT and Cambridge do have an exchange program: http://web.mit.edu/cmi/ue/ )
Hi Simon, that's a good and interesting question. I would say the biggest difference is that at Oxbridge, you would study *only* math. At MIT, while you would major in math, you would also get to take classes in science, humanities, arts, and more. (Note that MIT and Cambridge do have an exchange program: http://web.mit.edu/cmi/ue/ )
OneShotSniper
2010-10-05 19:53:07
Youngseok Kim/11/NY : I heard that new dorm rooms are opened next year, Does that going to affect the admission rate? (Although I am going to apply at 2012)
Youngseok Kim/11/NY : I heard that new dorm rooms are opened next year, Does that going to affect the admission rate? (Although I am going to apply at 2012)
kedlaya
2010-10-05 19:53:09
Youngseok: I think you heard about the new Masseh Hall which is opening on campus. The net effect will be that the total undergraduate enrollment will go up by about 5% (to 4500 students in all four years), although I'm not sure exactly how that will be phased in (maybe Matt knows better).
Youngseok: I think you heard about the new Masseh Hall which is opening on campus. The net effect will be that the total undergraduate enrollment will go up by about 5% (to 4500 students in all four years), although I'm not sure exactly how that will be phased in (maybe Matt knows better).
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 19:54:35
Youngseok: The admission rate, of course, depends on both a numerator (the # of students we admit) and a denominator (the # of students who apply). I can't predict/control the denominator, but the numerator will increase this year, by ~100 students.
Youngseok: The admission rate, of course, depends on both a numerator (the # of students we admit) and a denominator (the # of students who apply). I can't predict/control the denominator, but the numerator will increase this year, by ~100 students.
kedlaya
2010-10-05 19:55:12
To follow up on Simon's question: at MIT, you are not only *able* to take courses other than math, it is in fact *required*. MIT expects its students to graduate with some fundamental mastery of math, chemistry, physics, and biology, plus some exposure to different areas in the humanities (music, theater, literature, history, etc.), and requires students to take a number of courses in those areas. That should still leave plenty of time for math, or whatever your primary subject is.
To follow up on Simon's question: at MIT, you are not only *able* to take courses other than math, it is in fact *required*. MIT expects its students to graduate with some fundamental mastery of math, chemistry, physics, and biology, plus some exposure to different areas in the humanities (music, theater, literature, history, etc.), and requires students to take a number of courses in those areas. That should still leave plenty of time for math, or whatever your primary subject is.
hasan4444
2010-10-05 19:55:48
Hassan / 12 / Saudi Arabia: Is it true than you only take the math score out of SAT I for international students? Along with TOEFL.
Hassan / 12 / Saudi Arabia: Is it true than you only take the math score out of SAT I for international students? Along with TOEFL.
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 19:55:49
For international students (all students, actually), we require one of {SAT, ACT, TOEFL}, one SAT Subject Test in math, and one SAT subject test in science.
For international students (all students, actually), we require one of {SAT, ACT, TOEFL}, one SAT Subject Test in math, and one SAT subject test in science.
Jerry_Zhang
2010-10-05 19:56:33
Jerry/16/PA How does MIT look at SAT scores (does it look at single tests, or the highest score on each category from all tests)
Jerry/16/PA How does MIT look at SAT scores (does it look at single tests, or the highest score on each category from all tests)
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 19:56:35
We will look at the highest score in each section.
We will look at the highest score in each section.
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 19:56:43
More on testing requirements: http://www.mitadmissions.org/topics/apply/standardized_test_requirements/index.shtml
More on testing requirements: http://www.mitadmissions.org/topics/apply/standardized_test_requirements/index.shtml
Osud2
2010-10-05 19:57:19
Christina/19 (grad student)/Los Angeles: When I was in high school, the teachers and college counselors were adamant that top tier univerities would not admit students who had not played a team sport. Is this true? Have you ever not admitted someone because they didn't play sports?
Christina/19 (grad student)/Los Angeles: When I was in high school, the teachers and college counselors were adamant that top tier univerities would not admit students who had not played a team sport. Is this true? Have you ever not admitted someone because they didn't play sports?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 19:57:21
Not true. While MIT does field 33 competitive varsity sports, I would guess that most students we admit haven't played a varsity sport.
Not true. While MIT does field 33 competitive varsity sports, I would guess that most students we admit haven't played a varsity sport.
PLung
2010-10-05 19:57:52
Patrick / 11 / Canada: Does MIT offer need-based or merit-based scholarships for international students?
Patrick / 11 / Canada: Does MIT offer need-based or merit-based scholarships for international students?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 19:57:53
MIT meets the full financial need of all students, foreign or domestic.
MIT meets the full financial need of all students, foreign or domestic.
william22
2010-10-05 19:57:55
William, Grade 11, Canada: If I take courses in local university during my high school years, will the credits still be effective if I can get into MIT?
William, Grade 11, Canada: If I take courses in local university during my high school years, will the credits still be effective if I can get into MIT?
kedlaya
2010-10-05 19:57:56
William: only to a limited degree. You can typically get one year's worth of credit ("sophomore standing") for courses taken outside of MIT, including AP courses and transfer credits from a local university. Beyond that, you may not be able to transfer credits, but you may be able to get placement credit for courses you took elsewhere (e.g., to satisfy a graduation requirement, or to fulfill the prerequisite for a more advanced course).
William: only to a limited degree. You can typically get one year's worth of credit ("sophomore standing") for courses taken outside of MIT, including AP courses and transfer credits from a local university. Beyond that, you may not be able to transfer credits, but you may be able to get placement credit for courses you took elsewhere (e.g., to satisfy a graduation requirement, or to fulfill the prerequisite for a more advanced course).
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 19:59:35
Hi Giri, MIT offers many study abroad, research abroad, and internship abroad programs. For study abroad, the most prominent program is the exchange with Cambridge University I mentioned earlier. There are also programs with places like Ecole Polytechnique in Paris, the Technion in Israel, universities in Singapore, Madrid, and more. See http://web.mit.edu/studyabroad/
Hi Giri, MIT offers many study abroad, research abroad, and internship abroad programs. For study abroad, the most prominent program is the exchange with Cambridge University I mentioned earlier. There are also programs with places like Ecole Polytechnique in Paris, the Technion in Israel, universities in Singapore, Madrid, and more. See http://web.mit.edu/studyabroad/
giriduh
2010-10-05 19:59:39
Giri / 10 / MA: Does MIT have a foreign exchange program?
Giri / 10 / MA: Does MIT have a foreign exchange program?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 19:59:55
(See above ^^^^^^^^^ )
(See above ^^^^^^^^^ )
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:00:38
Also, there are some very cool research and internship abroad programs. The umbrella for most of these is called MISTI. http://web.mit.edu/MISTI/
Also, there are some very cool research and internship abroad programs. The umbrella for most of these is called MISTI. http://web.mit.edu/MISTI/
brianlee89
2010-10-05 20:01:11
Hey Matt/Kiran, I'm a senior/course 5 at MIT now. Saw this and thought I might drop by.
Hey Matt/Kiran, I'm a senior/course 5 at MIT now. Saw this and thought I might drop by.
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:01:12
Hi Brian! Course 5 is Chemistry, FYI. All of the majors at MIT have numbers. Math is 18.
Hi Brian! Course 5 is Chemistry, FYI. All of the majors at MIT have numbers. Math is 18.
Tomkitty
2010-10-05 20:02:14
Grant / 12 / UT: How would you rate MIT's social environment compared to other first tier schools? It's bound to have some intraveverted recluses, but what percentages of the student body includes these people?
Grant / 12 / UT: How would you rate MIT's social environment compared to other first tier schools? It's bound to have some intraveverted recluses, but what percentages of the student body includes these people?
kedlaya
2010-10-05 20:02:15
Grant: MIT is a lot more social than you might expect. My experience is that most students arriving at MIT find that it's a more comfortable environment than they are used to, perhaps because they aren't stigmatized for being a "nerd" like they may have been in high school. On the contrary, at MIT they're surrounded by people for whom being a "nerd" isn't a negative quality at all!
Grant: MIT is a lot more social than you might expect. My experience is that most students arriving at MIT find that it's a more comfortable environment than they are used to, perhaps because they aren't stigmatized for being a "nerd" like they may have been in high school. On the contrary, at MIT they're surrounded by people for whom being a "nerd" isn't a negative quality at all!
mathwiz314
2010-10-05 20:02:48
Wayne/10/Florida: How much does affirmative action factor into the MIT application process?
Wayne/10/Florida: How much does affirmative action factor into the MIT application process?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:02:50
MIT is an affirmative action school, but don't count on that getting you in. We are proud to have a diverse campus, and also proud that we don't lower the bar for anyone: legacies, athletes, etc.
MIT is an affirmative action school, but don't count on that getting you in. We are proud to have a diverse campus, and also proud that we don't lower the bar for anyone: legacies, athletes, etc.
Jerry_Zhang
2010-10-05 20:03:39
Jerry/16/PA do you select your major/field of study when applying?
Jerry/16/PA do you select your major/field of study when applying?
kedlaya
2010-10-05 20:03:40
Jerry: you only select your major after your first year, unless you have enough transfer credits to take early sophomore standing (in which case you choose after your first semester).
Jerry: you only select your major after your first year, unless you have enough transfer credits to take early sophomore standing (in which case you choose after your first semester).
jing
2010-10-05 20:04:33
Jingwen/ 12/ Ontario, Canada: when should we start on the application process to MIT and how long do you think this process takes?
Jingwen/ 12/ Ontario, Canada: when should we start on the application process to MIT and how long do you think this process takes?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:04:36
Students shoudl begin the application process in the fall of their final year of high school (so, now for seniors). I do recommend that juniors take standardized tests in the spring (SAT or ACT or TOEFL, and the 2 SAT Subject Tests)
Students shoudl begin the application process in the fall of their final year of high school (so, now for seniors). I do recommend that juniors take standardized tests in the spring (SAT or ACT or TOEFL, and the 2 SAT Subject Tests)
The-Pi-Avenger
2010-10-05 20:05:26
Chan-Soo/10/CA: Does MIT offer any summer programs that are available for high schoolers this year?
Chan-Soo/10/CA: Does MIT offer any summer programs that are available for high schoolers this year?
kedlaya
2010-10-05 20:05:26
Chan-Soo: there are a number of high school programs running at MIT each summer. The most prominent is probably the RSI (Research Science Institute) program, which is normally open to students between 11th and 12nd grades. Many top finishers in the Siemens and Intel competitions come out of the RSI program, particulary among the math projects.
Chan-Soo: there are a number of high school programs running at MIT each summer. The most prominent is probably the RSI (Research Science Institute) program, which is normally open to students between 11th and 12nd grades. Many top finishers in the Siemens and Intel competitions come out of the RSI program, particulary among the math projects.
Benl
2010-10-05 20:06:32
Ben/15/IL: How are your offerings for someone who'd like to continue music in band (particularly oboe).
Ben/15/IL: How are your offerings for someone who'd like to continue music in band (particularly oboe).
kedlaya
2010-10-05 20:06:33
Ben: MIT has a number of music groups, including the Wind Ensemble which might be relevant in your case. You can even get some course credit for participating in some groups.
Ben: MIT has a number of music groups, including the Wind Ensemble which might be relevant in your case. You can even get some course credit for participating in some groups.
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:06:36
I've been told that by the middle of freshman year, a third of students are already doing research, and by the time sophomore year starts, most are involved. Research isn't just for special people at MIT -- everyone gets involved with research.
I've been told that by the middle of freshman year, a third of students are already doing research, and by the time sophomore year starts, most are involved. Research isn't just for special people at MIT -- everyone gets involved with research.
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:06:49
(I think a question about research got eaten??)
(I think a question about research got eaten??)
prithvi2206
2010-10-05 20:07:57
Prithvi Ramakrishnan/ 12/ Trinidad and Tobago/ When is the best time to apply and schedule an interview for an international applicant (because Early Action is not applicable)
Prithvi Ramakrishnan/ 12/ Trinidad and Tobago/ When is the best time to apply and schedule an interview for an international applicant (because Early Action is not applicable)
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:07:59
You can schedule an interview now, and start working on the application now. You don't need to wait until the last minute. I would say you should be well into the process by November.
You can schedule an interview now, and start working on the application now. You don't need to wait until the last minute. I would say you should be well into the process by November.
SonyWii
2010-10-05 20:08:49
Surya / 10 / MA: If one took various courses at acclaimed universities, say Harvard Extension School, what are admissions officers' initial opinions/thoughts? Is it more of, "oh, this is pretty common, bleh" or is it "Oh look, this guy likes math, and is doing this advanced stuff"?
Surya / 10 / MA: If one took various courses at acclaimed universities, say Harvard Extension School, what are admissions officers' initial opinions/thoughts? Is it more of, "oh, this is pretty common, bleh" or is it "Oh look, this guy likes math, and is doing this advanced stuff"?
kedlaya
2010-10-05 20:08:51
Surya: Taking university-level courses is certainly one way to indicate that you're strongly interested in math (or another subject). It's not all that unusual among the population of students we're looking at, but it's still nice to see students taking initiative like that.
Surya: Taking university-level courses is certainly one way to indicate that you're strongly interested in math (or another subject). It's not all that unusual among the population of students we're looking at, but it's still nice to see students taking initiative like that.
Roger123
2010-10-05 20:09:02
Vinni/14/California: If I were to get one B, can I forget about getting into MIT?
Vinni/14/California: If I were to get one B, can I forget about getting into MIT?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:09:05
No. You do not need to be a perfect student to be admitted. Many students we admit have multiple Bs. I do hope that every student who applies has *mostly* As in a mostly rigorous curriculum.
No. You do not need to be a perfect student to be admitted. Many students we admit have multiple Bs. I do hope that every student who applies has *mostly* As in a mostly rigorous curriculum.
Sami21
2010-10-05 20:10:29
Sami / 13 / IL: What kinds of scholarships are offered at MIT?
Sami / 13 / IL: What kinds of scholarships are offered at MIT?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:10:30
We offer extensive need-based scholarships to everyone who qualifies, which is most students. We will also meet full financial need. The average scholarship last year (per student, per year) was about $31,000, I think. We do not offer any merit scholarships, 2400 scholarships, good-at-throwing-a-ball scholarships, or anything like that.
We offer extensive need-based scholarships to everyone who qualifies, which is most students. We will also meet full financial need. The average scholarship last year (per student, per year) was about $31,000, I think. We do not offer any merit scholarships, 2400 scholarships, good-at-throwing-a-ball scholarships, or anything like that.
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:10:45
More info: http://web.mit.edu/sfs/financial_aid/index.html
More info: http://web.mit.edu/sfs/financial_aid/index.html
JSGandora
2010-10-05 20:11:19
Jason / 8 / NJ: By "things you enjoy", do you look for diversity (such as math and basketball)?
Jason / 8 / NJ: By "things you enjoy", do you look for diversity (such as math and basketball)?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:11:20
That's great. I think it's cool that the MIT basketball team can do calculus and can also dunk.
That's great. I think it's cool that the MIT basketball team can do calculus and can also dunk.
AneeshA
2010-10-05 20:12:15
Aneesh/10/MA: Does MIT consider sports, arts, or volunteer service a bigger factor in the admissions process?
Aneesh/10/MA: Does MIT consider sports, arts, or volunteer service a bigger factor in the admissions process?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:12:16
All of those things would be considered. Do what you enjoy; don't do any of those things just to please an admissions officer.
All of those things would be considered. Do what you enjoy; don't do any of those things just to please an admissions officer.
footballer
2010-10-05 20:12:45
Alan/8/NY, what is the female to male student ratio in MIT? Is it true that it is easier for girls to get into MIT than boys?
Alan/8/NY, what is the female to male student ratio in MIT? Is it true that it is easier for girls to get into MIT than boys?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:12:46
The male:female ratio is 55:45. It is not easier for boys or girls to be admitted.
The male:female ratio is 55:45. It is not easier for boys or girls to be admitted.
bokagadha
2010-10-05 20:13:16
Soumya/12/CA: How many students are typically in a class? Are there any exceptions to that? Also, is there a minimum class size?
Soumya/12/CA: How many students are typically in a class? Are there any exceptions to that? Also, is there a minimum class size?
kedlaya
2010-10-05 20:13:17
Soumya: class sizes vary quite a lot. The required freshman courses (like calculus, physics, chemistry, biology) are taught in lectures of several hundred students, but also include recitations which are taught in smaller units. (In math, recitations are 20-30 students each, and are usually run by advanced graduate students, postdocs, or sometimes by faculty members.) Advanced courses in a subject are usually much smaller, possibly as few as 5-10 students.
Soumya: class sizes vary quite a lot. The required freshman courses (like calculus, physics, chemistry, biology) are taught in lectures of several hundred students, but also include recitations which are taught in smaller units. (In math, recitations are 20-30 students each, and are usually run by advanced graduate students, postdocs, or sometimes by faculty members.) Advanced courses in a subject are usually much smaller, possibly as few as 5-10 students.
william22
2010-10-05 20:14:30
William, Grade 11, BC Canada: Are there many students in MIT who have attended Canada/USA Mathcamp?
William, Grade 11, BC Canada: Are there many students in MIT who have attended Canada/USA Mathcamp?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:14:31
Yes, as well as plenty of other camps. (I visited Mathcamp this summer)
Yes, as well as plenty of other camps. (I visited Mathcamp this summer)
giriduh
2010-10-05 20:14:58
Giri / 10 / MA: Are we expected to be particularly strong in one non-core subject (ex. electrical engineering) by the end of high school?
Giri / 10 / MA: Are we expected to be particularly strong in one non-core subject (ex. electrical engineering) by the end of high school?
kedlaya
2010-10-05 20:14:59
Giri: some MIT students come in with a strong background in one subject, others with a more level background across multiple subjects. That said, it's generally a good thing if you can demonstrate some passion about something in particular, be it an academic subject or some other activity.
Giri: some MIT students come in with a strong background in one subject, others with a more level background across multiple subjects. That said, it's generally a good thing if you can demonstrate some passion about something in particular, be it an academic subject or some other activity.
LotharCollatz
2010-10-05 20:15:45
Karan / 11 / Canada : I've heard that students at MIT can do courses at Harvard if a similar course is not offered at MIT, and vice versa. HOw does this work?
Karan / 11 / Canada : I've heard that students at MIT can do courses at Harvard if a similar course is not offered at MIT, and vice versa. HOw does this work?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:15:47
It's pretty easy. We have cross registration with Harvard as well as Wellesley, MassArt, and the School of the Museum of Fine Arts. There's very little bureaucracy; if you want to take the course, in most cases you'll do so with no problem.
It's pretty easy. We have cross registration with Harvard as well as Wellesley, MassArt, and the School of the Museum of Fine Arts. There's very little bureaucracy; if you want to take the course, in most cases you'll do so with no problem.
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:16:11
I took a class at Harvard for cross registration. I just needed the professor's signature, which she gladly provided.
I took a class at Harvard for cross registration. I just needed the professor's signature, which she gladly provided.
giriduh
2010-10-05 20:16:23
Giri / 10 / MA: Are we expected to be particularly strong in one non-core subject (ex. electrical engineering) by the end of high school?
Giri / 10 / MA: Are we expected to be particularly strong in one non-core subject (ex. electrical engineering) by the end of high school?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:16:25
No.
No.
skanmath
2010-10-05 20:16:34
Sandy/10/PA:Is there any percent limit for asians, etc?
Sandy/10/PA:Is there any percent limit for asians, etc?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:16:36
No, absolutely not.
No, absolutely not.
AlphaBetaTheta
2010-10-05 20:17:15
Vishal/13/CA What is the jump from olympiad level math to undergraduate courses at MIT?
Vishal/13/CA What is the jump from olympiad level math to undergraduate courses at MIT?
kedlaya
2010-10-05 20:17:16
Vishal: I don't think the jump is too serious. The main challenge in undergraduate math courses is getting used to proofs, but from Olympiad math you are probably comfortable with them already. By the way, we do offer one "competition" class: a freshman seminar organized around the Putnam competition (in which MIT has been extraordinarily successful of late).
Vishal: I don't think the jump is too serious. The main challenge in undergraduate math courses is getting used to proofs, but from Olympiad math you are probably comfortable with them already. By the way, we do offer one "competition" class: a freshman seminar organized around the Putnam competition (in which MIT has been extraordinarily successful of late).
Obi1kbowei
2010-10-05 20:17:42
Bowei / 16/ TN: Does MIT consider the enviornment of the student? Geographically, economically?
Bowei / 16/ TN: Does MIT consider the enviornment of the student? Geographically, economically?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:17:43
Yes. Context is crucial. We will consider your opportunities as well as your challenges. This is a key part of our admissions process.
Yes. Context is crucial. We will consider your opportunities as well as your challenges. This is a key part of our admissions process.
Twin Prime Conjecture
2010-10-05 20:18:12
Sahana/ 9th grade/ CA: Does MIT have a required senior thesis? If you double major, do you have to do senior thesis on both?
Sahana/ 9th grade/ CA: Does MIT have a required senior thesis? If you double major, do you have to do senior thesis on both?
kedlaya
2010-10-05 20:18:13
Sahana: most subjects at MIT do not have a required senior thesis. For instance, math does not have a senior thesis; the only math undergraduate thesis I ever supervised was a joint math/computer science student.
Sahana: most subjects at MIT do not have a required senior thesis. For instance, math does not have a senior thesis; the only math undergraduate thesis I ever supervised was a joint math/computer science student.
stellaffaith
2010-10-05 20:18:36
Stella/12/CT: What are the specific cretia are required for students who wished to be on the Cambridge-MIT exchange program? (The website doesn't give specific information on academic requirements.) Thank you.
Stella/12/CT: What are the specific cretia are required for students who wished to be on the Cambridge-MIT exchange program? (The website doesn't give specific information on academic requirements.) Thank you.
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:18:37
Most students who have at least a B average (which is most students) will be admitted. Each department can choose their own students, but nearly every student in good academic standing will get to go if they want.
Most students who have at least a B average (which is most students) will be admitted. Each department can choose their own students, but nearly every student in good academic standing will get to go if they want.
The-Pi-Avenger
2010-10-05 20:19:06
Chan-Soo/10/CA: Would participating in MIT's summer programs increase the chance of getting in?
Chan-Soo/10/CA: Would participating in MIT's summer programs increase the chance of getting in?
kedlaya
2010-10-05 20:19:06
Chan-Soo: not any more than any other summer programs of similar quality, no. On the other hand, they might give you a chance to experience a bit of life at MIT and decide whether it's a place you'd be interested in.
Chan-Soo: not any more than any other summer programs of similar quality, no. On the other hand, they might give you a chance to experience a bit of life at MIT and decide whether it's a place you'd be interested in.
giriduh
2010-10-05 20:19:31
Giri/10/MA: Has MIT pulled any large-scale hacks recently?
Giri/10/MA: Has MIT pulled any large-scale hacks recently?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:19:32
Hacks (MIT pranks) are a great part of life on campus. Last spring's upside-down lounge was pretty awesome. See that and much more here: http://hacks.mit.edu/
Hacks (MIT pranks) are a great part of life on campus. Last spring's upside-down lounge was pretty awesome. See that and much more here: http://hacks.mit.edu/
jing
2010-10-05 20:20:16
Jingwen/12/Ontario, Canada: Would you count English or other language teachers as humanities teachers (for the recommendation letters)
Jingwen/12/Ontario, Canada: Would you count English or other language teachers as humanities teachers (for the recommendation letters)
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:20:18
Yes; English, History, and foreign language, among others, would count.
Yes; English, History, and foreign language, among others, would count.
nickname
2010-10-05 20:21:03
Nicholas / 11 / Ontario, Canada: Does MIT consider the SAT I Writing score?
Nicholas / 11 / Ontario, Canada: Does MIT consider the SAT I Writing score?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:21:05
Yes.
Yes.
fprosk
2010-10-05 20:21:18
Francisco/7/Puerto Rico: What are the school days like?
Francisco/7/Puerto Rico: What are the school days like?
kedlaya
2010-10-05 20:21:19
Francisco: most classes meet during the morning (9 AM or later) and early afternoon. But students are free to set their own timetables, and some adopt some pretty unorthodox sleep schedules...
Francisco: most classes meet during the morning (9 AM or later) and early afternoon. But students are free to set their own timetables, and some adopt some pretty unorthodox sleep schedules...
bokagadha
2010-10-05 20:22:07
Soumya/12/CA: How difficult and competitive are the varsity sports at MIT?
Soumya/12/CA: How difficult and competitive are the varsity sports at MIT?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:22:09
Our 33 varsity sports are mostly Division III (except for the Division I crew team) and are very competitive. Most of our fall sports teams (except football) are regionally or nationally ranked in Division III. See: http://www.mitathletics.com
Our 33 varsity sports are mostly Division III (except for the Division I crew team) and are very competitive. Most of our fall sports teams (except football) are regionally or nationally ranked in Division III. See: http://www.mitathletics.com
hwlykw101
2010-10-05 20:23:05
Kevin / 10 / NJ: Is it possible for high school students to be involved with UROP and things like that with MIT faculty?
Kevin / 10 / NJ: Is it possible for high school students to be involved with UROP and things like that with MIT faculty?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:23:06
Not really, except for the Research Science Institute (RSI), a competitive admission summer program for juniors. http://www.cee.org/programs/rsi
Not really, except for the Research Science Institute (RSI), a competitive admission summer program for juniors. http://www.cee.org/programs/rsi
prithvi2206
2010-10-05 20:23:27
Prithvi Ramakrishnan/ 12/ Trinidad and Tobago/ In your opinion, what is an example of a good way to combine passions for math and biology?
Prithvi Ramakrishnan/ 12/ Trinidad and Tobago/ In your opinion, what is an example of a good way to combine passions for math and biology?
kedlaya
2010-10-05 20:23:28
Prithvi: MIT is an excellent place to combine interests in math and biology, since it is the center of a lot of cutting-edge resource at the intersection of those fields. For instance, MIT hosts the Broad Institute, founded by PhD mathematician (and IMO participant)-turned-biologist Eric Lander.
Prithvi: MIT is an excellent place to combine interests in math and biology, since it is the center of a lot of cutting-edge resource at the intersection of those fields. For instance, MIT hosts the Broad Institute, founded by PhD mathematician (and IMO participant)-turned-biologist Eric Lander.
caic
2010-10-05 20:23:40
Janiny/7/CT: How does MIT look at the ranking of the applicant's school?
Janiny/7/CT: How does MIT look at the ranking of the applicant's school?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:23:41
No, but we will consider each school's opportunities and offerings. (Honestly, the high school rankings are pretty silly)
No, but we will consider each school's opportunities and offerings. (Honestly, the high school rankings are pretty silly)
kostya
2010-10-05 20:24:35
Kostya / 12 / PA: Is there a general list of AP tests and scores that count for credit?
Kostya / 12 / PA: Is there a general list of AP tests and scores that count for credit?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:24:37
Yes. http://www.mitadmissions.org/topics/before/advanced_placement_international_exams/index.shtml
Yes. http://www.mitadmissions.org/topics/before/advanced_placement_international_exams/index.shtml
LotharCollatz
2010-10-05 20:25:12
Karan / 11/ Canada: How does the undergraduate math course at MIT compare to math courses at Harvard (ie Math 55)?
Karan / 11/ Canada: How does the undergraduate math course at MIT compare to math courses at Harvard (ie Math 55)?
LotharCollatz
2010-10-05 20:25:12
Karan/ 11 / Canada : Can students get credit for IB courses at MIT?
Karan/ 11 / Canada : Can students get credit for IB courses at MIT?
kedlaya
2010-10-05 20:25:13
Karan: MIT doesn't have any courses analogous to Harvard's Math 55 (advanced multivariable calculus + linear algebra + anything goes!). Freshmen at MIT are encouraged to start with whatever course they are prepared for: calculus, linear algebra, differential equations, or even more advanced courses (real analysis, abstract algebra).
Karan: MIT doesn't have any courses analogous to Harvard's Math 55 (advanced multivariable calculus + linear algebra + anything goes!). Freshmen at MIT are encouraged to start with whatever course they are prepared for: calculus, linear algebra, differential equations, or even more advanced courses (real analysis, abstract algebra).
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:25:13
Yes. See above.
Yes. See above.
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:25:28
Wow, Karan got two questions answered at once!
Wow, Karan got two questions answered at once!
kedlaya
2010-10-05 20:25:40
Spooky.
Spooky.
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:25:47
Don't worry, everyone else, Prof. Kedlaya and I are answering questions as quickly as we can...
Don't worry, everyone else, Prof. Kedlaya and I are answering questions as quickly as we can...
gogators
2010-10-05 20:26:24
Matt/9/FL: Will having more extracurricular activities increase your chance of admission?
Matt/9/FL: Will having more extracurricular activities increase your chance of admission?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:26:25
Not necessarily. I hope you'll be involved, but more is not necessarily better.
Not necessarily. I hope you'll be involved, but more is not necessarily better.
prithvi2206
2010-10-05 20:26:31
Prithvi/ 12/ Trinidad and Tobago: Although you said that MIT has the most IMO medallist, does participating in the IMO multiple times but not winning a medal still worth something?
Prithvi/ 12/ Trinidad and Tobago: Although you said that MIT has the most IMO medallist, does participating in the IMO multiple times but not winning a medal still worth something?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:26:32
Absolutely!
Absolutely!
mathwiz314
2010-10-05 20:27:01
Wayne/10/Florida: If I am taking a foreign language should I take the AP Exam or the SAT Subject Test, or both before entering MIT?
Wayne/10/Florida: If I am taking a foreign language should I take the AP Exam or the SAT Subject Test, or both before entering MIT?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:27:02
We won't consider the foreign language SAT Subject test, but would consider the AP.
We won't consider the foreign language SAT Subject test, but would consider the AP.
The-Pi-Avenger
2010-10-05 20:27:37
Chan-Soo/10/CA: what kinds of research projects are done at MIT?
Chan-Soo/10/CA: what kinds of research projects are done at MIT?
kedlaya
2010-10-05 20:27:38
Chan-Soo: If you mean by undergraduates, they get to do research projects in almost every subject at MIT through UROP (Undergraduate Research Opportunities Program). This includes plenty of laboratory and engineering subjects, but there are UROP projects in math also. I should know, I've supervised at least a dozen of them over the years.
Chan-Soo: If you mean by undergraduates, they get to do research projects in almost every subject at MIT through UROP (Undergraduate Research Opportunities Program). This includes plenty of laboratory and engineering subjects, but there are UROP projects in math also. I should know, I've supervised at least a dozen of them over the years.
calculus321
2010-10-05 20:28:14
Tim/9/OH: Can you please explain how you look at GPA's? For example, how do you treat a 4.0 in comparison to a 3.9?
Tim/9/OH: Can you please explain how you look at GPA's? For example, how do you treat a 4.0 in comparison to a 3.9?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:28:15
I hope that you will have mostly As (esp. in math/science) and will have taken a rigorous courseload. I am less concerned with your GPA, as the number by itself means nothing to me.
I hope that you will have mostly As (esp. in math/science) and will have taken a rigorous courseload. I am less concerned with your GPA, as the number by itself means nothing to me.
introtoanalysis
2010-10-05 20:29:04
Samantha, Grade 10, MD, USA: My school doesn't offer AP course, rather is offers "scholars" courses as the highest level, how does MIT recognize these classes in the admition process?
Samantha, Grade 10, MD, USA: My school doesn't offer AP course, rather is offers "scholars" courses as the highest level, how does MIT recognize these classes in the admition process?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:29:05
That's fine. We will consider every student in their context. At your school, the "scholars" courses are the hard courses, and we will consider that accordingly.
That's fine. We will consider every student in their context. At your school, the "scholars" courses are the hard courses, and we will consider that accordingly.
AlphaBetaTheta
2010-10-05 20:29:32
Vishal/13/USA Are international math olympiad qualifiers and winners usually admitted to MIT?
Vishal/13/USA Are international math olympiad qualifiers and winners usually admitted to MIT?
kedlaya
2010-10-05 20:29:33
Vishal: IMO participation is not a guarantee of admission to MIT (no such guarantee exists!) but it is definitely something we take into account. I think MIT pays more attention to things like IMO than many other schools, partly because we have someone in admissions (Matt) who knows how significant an accomplishment it is to qualify for or medal at the IMO.
Vishal: IMO participation is not a guarantee of admission to MIT (no such guarantee exists!) but it is definitely something we take into account. I think MIT pays more attention to things like IMO than many other schools, partly because we have someone in admissions (Matt) who knows how significant an accomplishment it is to qualify for or medal at the IMO.
fprosk
2010-10-05 20:30:04
Francisco/7/Puerto Rico: What majors are there?
Francisco/7/Puerto Rico: What majors are there?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:30:06
http://www.mitadmissions.org/topics/learning/majors_minors/index.shtml
http://www.mitadmissions.org/topics/learning/majors_minors/index.shtml
Twin Prime Conjecture
2010-10-05 20:31:23
Sahana/ 9th grade/ CA: What is the policy in MIT for skipping (required) courses that you have already taken/studied to the same level as MIT before going to MIT?
Sahana/ 9th grade/ CA: What is the policy in MIT for skipping (required) courses that you have already taken/studied to the same level as MIT before going to MIT?
kedlaya
2010-10-05 20:31:23
Sahana: in some cases (like one-variable calculus), you can use an AP exam result to place out of a required course. In some other cases (like multivariable calculus), to place out of a required course you have to pass an exam that is offered at the start of the academic year (during freshman orientation).
Sahana: in some cases (like one-variable calculus), you can use an AP exam result to place out of a required course. In some other cases (like multivariable calculus), to place out of a required course you have to pass an exam that is offered at the start of the academic year (during freshman orientation).
LotharCollatz
2010-10-05 20:31:31
Karan / 11 / Canada : Whould you say that MIT has a strong economics department?
Karan / 11 / Canada : Whould you say that MIT has a strong economics department?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:31:33
Absolutely. MIT has arguably the best Economics department in the world (a few other places would obviously be in the conversation). Don't forget -- MIT is much more than just biology and math and computers.
Absolutely. MIT has arguably the best Economics department in the world (a few other places would obviously be in the conversation). Don't forget -- MIT is much more than just biology and math and computers.
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:31:47
MIT Economics: http://econ-www.mit.edu/
MIT Economics: http://econ-www.mit.edu/
MathDork135
2010-10-05 20:32:14
shirley/11/PA Is the early action path for MIT open to international students?
shirley/11/PA Is the early action path for MIT open to international students?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:32:15
Sorry, Shirley, we consider all international students at the same time, for the January 1 deadline.
Sorry, Shirley, we consider all international students at the same time, for the January 1 deadline.
AneeshA
2010-10-05 20:32:21
Aneesh/10/MA: Are there racial or ethnic quotas?
Aneesh/10/MA: Are there racial or ethnic quotas?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:32:22
No.
No.
MMPC39
2010-10-05 20:32:58
are there recreational sports like tennis for people who are not skilled enough to play at the collegiate level?
are there recreational sports like tennis for people who are not skilled enough to play at the collegiate level?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:32:59
Yes. I enjoyed playing tennis on the courts at MIT. I also enjoyed intramural sports!
Yes. I enjoyed playing tennis on the courts at MIT. I also enjoyed intramural sports!
batter8642
2010-10-05 20:33:18
Alejandro/ 7th grade/ Puerto Rico, USA: What is the pet policy at MIT?
Alejandro/ 7th grade/ Puerto Rico, USA: What is the pet policy at MIT?
kedlaya
2010-10-05 20:33:19
Alejandro: according to a post I found on Matt's blog, four of the eleven (as of 2008) undergraduate dorms allow cats. I think this is unusually high for on-campus university housing.
Alejandro: according to a post I found on Matt's blog, four of the eleven (as of 2008) undergraduate dorms allow cats. I think this is unusually high for on-campus university housing.
bpgbcg
2010-10-05 20:33:37
Ben/11/MD: So to clarify csl824's question from much earlier, the teacher recommendations cannot be submitted electronically?
Ben/11/MD: So to clarify csl824's question from much earlier, the teacher recommendations cannot be submitted electronically?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:33:38
Schools with Naviance can submit school forms/documents online. Ask your counselor. Otherwise, sorry, it will need to be mailed.
Schools with Naviance can submit school forms/documents online. Ask your counselor. Otherwise, sorry, it will need to be mailed.
number.sense
2010-10-05 20:34:46
Nik, 10, CA: How many hours of volunteer work does MIT require?
Nik, 10, CA: How many hours of volunteer work does MIT require?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:34:47
None. However, if you enjoy service work and have done it, we will consider it. I think doing service just to get into college is kind of sad. If it's something that you enjoy, or feel good doing, then do it.
None. However, if you enjoy service work and have done it, we will consider it. I think doing service just to get into college is kind of sad. If it's something that you enjoy, or feel good doing, then do it.
csl824
2010-10-05 20:34:54
Carmela/12/Philippines. Do you have a per country quota for international students?
Carmela/12/Philippines. Do you have a per country quota for international students?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:34:56
No.
No.
william22
2010-10-05 20:35:12
William/Grade 11/Canada: When I apply for MIT, what is the latest SAT (which month) that I can include?
William/Grade 11/Canada: When I apply for MIT, what is the latest SAT (which month) that I can include?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:35:13
January. Be sure to list MIT as a direct score recipient.
January. Be sure to list MIT as a direct score recipient.
number.sense
2010-10-05 20:35:14
Nik, 10, CA: My school doesn't have any more math classes that I can take. Does it matter if I take classes at the local university for credit, or is it okay if I just audit classes. Also, what is your opinion on taking online courses?
Nik, 10, CA: My school doesn't have any more math classes that I can take. Does it matter if I take classes at the local university for credit, or is it okay if I just audit classes. Also, what is your opinion on taking online courses?
kedlaya
2010-10-05 20:35:15
Nik: The important thing is that we get some feedback about your work. Taking classes for a grade does that, but if you're auditing classes instead, you could get one of the instructors to write a letter of recommendation.
Nik: The important thing is that we get some feedback about your work. Taking classes for a grade does that, but if you're auditing classes instead, you could get one of the instructors to write a letter of recommendation.
RP007
2010-10-05 20:36:04
Rishi/12/VA: Do you cap the number of students you admit from a high school? For example, do you have a higher acceptance rate for Thomas Jefferson(TJ) High school in VA just because they say there are no ordinary students there? Or you have the same average, so it hurts my chances of getting in MIT if I go to TJ?
Rishi/12/VA: Do you cap the number of students you admit from a high school? For example, do you have a higher acceptance rate for Thomas Jefferson(TJ) High school in VA just because they say there are no ordinary students there? Or you have the same average, so it hurts my chances of getting in MIT if I go to TJ?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:36:05
No HS quota. We will admit the students who are good for MIT. Our process is not based around comparing students from the same HS against each other. (TJ is a pretty cool place, btw)
No HS quota. We will admit the students who are good for MIT. Our process is not based around comparing students from the same HS against each other. (TJ is a pretty cool place, btw)
kedlaya
2010-10-05 20:36:06
Followup to an earlier question about activities for high school students:
Followup to an earlier question about activities for high school students:
brianlee89
2010-10-05 20:36:07
If you live in the area, MIT ESP also offers classes over the summer, taught by MIT students
If you live in the area, MIT ESP also offers classes over the summer, taught by MIT students
kedlaya
2010-10-05 20:36:47
Followup to an earlier question about the social environment:
Followup to an earlier question about the social environment:
brianlee89
2010-10-05 20:36:49
Grant: If anything, I would say that almost all people, including the 'introvorted recluses' can find a social niche that they feel comfortable in. It's why we have such a varied dorm/living group system.
Grant: If anything, I would say that almost all people, including the 'introvorted recluses' can find a social niche that they feel comfortable in. It's why we have such a varied dorm/living group system.
bulutcocuk
2010-10-05 20:36:53
Deniz / 11 / CA: Is there an advantage of a native English speaker taking the SAT over a non-native speaker taking the TOEFL?
Deniz / 11 / CA: Is there an advantage of a native English speaker taking the SAT over a non-native speaker taking the TOEFL?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:36:54
No.
No.
kedlaya
2010-10-05 20:36:55
(thanks Brian)
(thanks Brian)
aamontree
2010-10-05 20:37:29
Andrew/10/FL: How competive is the Research and Science Institutue?
Andrew/10/FL: How competive is the Research and Science Institutue?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:37:30
Very. Usually harder to get intothan MIT. Many students turned away from RSI are ultimately admitted to MIT.
Very. Usually harder to get intothan MIT. Many students turned away from RSI are ultimately admitted to MIT.
kedlaya
2010-10-05 20:37:51
Note that MIT doesn't actually run RSI, we just host it. It's run as an independent entity.
Note that MIT doesn't actually run RSI, we just host it. It's run as an independent entity.
number.sense
2010-10-05 20:38:15
Nik, 10, CA: How does the admissions process work for high schoolers who plan to graduate early (say in junior year)
Nik, 10, CA: How does the admissions process work for high schoolers who plan to graduate early (say in junior year)
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:38:16
Same as for everyone else. That is what I did -- I graduated early from my junior year and was admitted to MIT.
Same as for everyone else. That is what I did -- I graduated early from my junior year and was admitted to MIT.
cat123
2010-10-05 20:38:44
Tyler/9th/OH: I am in my 3rd year of homeschooling, and I will be homeschooled throughout high school. Are your admission requirements different for homeschoolers?
Tyler/9th/OH: I am in my 3rd year of homeschooling, and I will be homeschooled throughout high school. Are your admission requirements different for homeschoolers?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:38:45
No.
No.
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:38:54
Lots of tips for homeschoolers here: http://www.mitadmissions.org/topics/apply/homeschooled_applicants_helpful_tips/index.shtml
Lots of tips for homeschoolers here: http://www.mitadmissions.org/topics/apply/homeschooled_applicants_helpful_tips/index.shtml
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:39:17
I'm happy that we have a thriving community of homeschoolers at MIT. We see the application pool growing.
I'm happy that we have a thriving community of homeschoolers at MIT. We see the application pool growing.
Math Geek
2010-10-05 20:39:41
Sitan/11/GA: How does double majoring work at MIT?
Sitan/11/GA: How does double majoring work at MIT?
kedlaya
2010-10-05 20:39:42
Sitan: This process has recently gotten much simpler. Nowadays, to do a double major, it is enough to satisfy the general Institute graduation requirements (two semesters of physics, two of math, etc.) and the individual requirements of the two majors. Often these requirements overlap, because many departments (like math) leave you some flexibility in choosing courses, and if you need to you can choose courses that also count for physics, or computer science, or whatnot.
Sitan: This process has recently gotten much simpler. Nowadays, to do a double major, it is enough to satisfy the general Institute graduation requirements (two semesters of physics, two of math, etc.) and the individual requirements of the two majors. Often these requirements overlap, because many departments (like math) leave you some flexibility in choosing courses, and if you need to you can choose courses that also count for physics, or computer science, or whatnot.
MMPC39
2010-10-05 20:39:42
Is it true that MIT recalculates high school GPAs based on A- being 3.666...
Is it true that MIT recalculates high school GPAs based on A- being 3.666...
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:39:44
No. We do not recalculate GPA.
No. We do not recalculate GPA.
kedlaya
2010-10-05 20:40:32
Among the math majors, we see a high frequency of joint majors with physics and computer science, but also economics, biology, and even some humanities (like music). Yes, you can do a humanities major (or minor) at MIT.
Among the math majors, we see a high frequency of joint majors with physics and computer science, but also economics, biology, and even some humanities (like music). Yes, you can do a humanities major (or minor) at MIT.
bulutcocuk
2010-10-05 20:40:41
Deniz / 11 / CA: What is your definition of rigorous?
Deniz / 11 / CA: What is your definition of rigorous?
177dum
2010-10-05 20:40:41
James/9th/Texas : Rigorous as in all pre-ap/ap classes?
James/9th/Texas : Rigorous as in all pre-ap/ap classes?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:40:42
You don't need to do *all* AP/pre-AP classes. I hope, though, that you'll take a reasonable number of advanced (e.g. AP) classes, but you don't need to take everything.
You don't need to do *all* AP/pre-AP classes. I hope, though, that you'll take a reasonable number of advanced (e.g. AP) classes, but you don't need to take everything.
Dsquared
2010-10-05 20:41:39
Justin/12/KY how many kids do you accept to MIT each year?
Justin/12/KY how many kids do you accept to MIT each year?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:41:40
Last year, we admitted 1676 students. http://www.mitadmissions.org/topics/apply/admissions_statistics/index.shtml
Last year, we admitted 1676 students. http://www.mitadmissions.org/topics/apply/admissions_statistics/index.shtml
Floyd9753
2010-10-05 20:42:11
Amudha / 8 / MO : What sports teams are there at MIT?
Amudha / 8 / MO : What sports teams are there at MIT?
skanmath
2010-10-05 20:42:48
Sandy/10/PA: what is the typical asian ratio? i there a limit based on race?
Sandy/10/PA: what is the typical asian ratio? i there a limit based on race?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:42:49
No limit. We're 26% Asian in this year's freshman class.
No limit. We're 26% Asian in this year's freshman class.
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:42:56
http://www.mitadmissions.org/topics/pulse/incoming_freshman_class_profile/index.shtml
http://www.mitadmissions.org/topics/pulse/incoming_freshman_class_profile/index.shtml
MathWise
2010-10-05 20:43:05
David / 12 / CO: How much does doing well in math competitions (like qualifying for USAMO) help your application? Or does it not really matter as long as you're really interested in math?
David / 12 / CO: How much does doing well in math competitions (like qualifying for USAMO) help your application? Or does it not really matter as long as you're really interested in math?
kedlaya
2010-10-05 20:43:05
David: it certainly helps to have something that shows your interest in math (if that's the subject you're most interested in). Competitions can do that, but so can other things, like summer programs (like Ross, PROMYS, MathCamp, etc.), taking lots of advanced courses, or the like.
David: it certainly helps to have something that shows your interest in math (if that's the subject you're most interested in). Competitions can do that, but so can other things, like summer programs (like Ross, PROMYS, MathCamp, etc.), taking lots of advanced courses, or the like.
raptortech97
2010-10-05 20:43:31
Jackson/8/MA: Is the 55:45 ratio intentional, or is it happenstance?
Jackson/8/MA: Is the 55:45 ratio intentional, or is it happenstance?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:43:32
That's how it worked out. It varies year to year; it has been as high as 47% in some years.
That's how it worked out. It varies year to year; it has been as high as 47% in some years.
arigao2007
2010-10-05 20:44:13
Ari / 15 / TX: When applying to MIT, do you apply to the whole university or just a single college within the university?
Ari / 15 / TX: When applying to MIT, do you apply to the whole university or just a single college within the university?
kedlaya
2010-10-05 20:44:14
Ari: you apply to the whole university, and admissions are done all in one pool.
Ari: you apply to the whole university, and admissions are done all in one pool.
Math Geek
2010-10-05 20:44:17
Sitan/11/GA: What is the music faculty like?
Sitan/11/GA: What is the music faculty like?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:44:18
Pretty awesome. People like John Harbison (the Pulitzer Prize winner) teach at MIT. See http://web.mit.edu/music/
Pretty awesome. People like John Harbison (the Pulitzer Prize winner) teach at MIT. See http://web.mit.edu/music/
Floyd9753
2010-10-05 20:44:36
Amudha / 8 / MO : What extracurricular activities are available at MIT (orchestra, art, sports?)
Amudha / 8 / MO : What extracurricular activities are available at MIT (orchestra, art, sports?)
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:44:38
450+ activities. Too many to list...
450+ activities. Too many to list...
MathDork135
2010-10-05 20:45:13
shirley/11/PA: what does MIT admissions think about math camps such as mathcamp/ross/promys?
shirley/11/PA: what does MIT admissions think about math camps such as mathcamp/ross/promys?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:45:15
They're pretty cool. You don't need to do them, but if you have, we know what the programs are like.
They're pretty cool. You don't need to do them, but if you have, we know what the programs are like.
william22
2010-10-05 20:45:35
William, Grade 11, BC Canada: I am Korean, but I have been studying in Canada since grade 5. Would taking SAT Korean subject test be a disadvantage?
William, Grade 11, BC Canada: I am Korean, but I have been studying in Canada since grade 5. Would taking SAT Korean subject test be a disadvantage?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:45:36
William, we will only consider a math and science Subject Test.
William, we will only consider a math and science Subject Test.
nickname
2010-10-05 20:45:57
Nicholas / 11 / Ontario, Canada: Are there many students who have attended Shad Valley at MIT?
Nicholas / 11 / Ontario, Canada: Are there many students who have attended Shad Valley at MIT?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:45:58
Yes. I don't know how many, but we are familiar with Shad Valley in our office.
Yes. I don't know how many, but we are familiar with Shad Valley in our office.
calculus321
2010-10-05 20:47:02
Tim/9/OH: Is there a limit to how many kids you take to MIT from one school. For example would second place in a public school have a lower chance of being accepted?
Tim/9/OH: Is there a limit to how many kids you take to MIT from one school. For example would second place in a public school have a lower chance of being accepted?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:47:04
No. I've seen it plenty of times where the #1 is turned down and we take #2, or #15. There are even lots of times where we'd take all 3. Our process is not based around comparing students from the same HS against each other.
No. I've seen it plenty of times where the #1 is turned down and we take #2, or #15. There are even lots of times where we'd take all 3. Our process is not based around comparing students from the same HS against each other.
bookfaery
2010-10-05 20:47:11
Alice/9/CA,US: How would you compare Caltech and MIT?
Alice/9/CA,US: How would you compare Caltech and MIT?
kedlaya
2010-10-05 20:47:12
Alice: Caltech and MIT have many things in common. One big difference is that Caltech is much smaller. I happen to think that MIT's size is a comparative advantage, because there are more opportunities available (e.g., for UROP research, and because the peer groups (e.g., of math majors) are that much larger.
Alice: Caltech and MIT have many things in common. One big difference is that Caltech is much smaller. I happen to think that MIT's size is a comparative advantage, because there are more opportunities available (e.g., for UROP research, and because the peer groups (e.g., of math majors) are that much larger.
GeoffreyS
2010-10-05 20:47:28
Geoffrey/15/GA: Between AP and IB, which program receives more respect from the MIT admissions. Would it be bad if I chose to take 6 AP classes each year as a junior/senior rather participate in IB deploma (or vice versa)?
Geoffrey/15/GA: Between AP and IB, which program receives more respect from the MIT admissions. Would it be bad if I chose to take 6 AP classes each year as a junior/senior rather participate in IB deploma (or vice versa)?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:47:29
AP and IB are both good. I don't have a preference (and msot students don't have a choice).
AP and IB are both good. I don't have a preference (and msot students don't have a choice).
Dsquared
2010-10-05 20:48:00
Justin/12/KY What is exactly the one week splash program at MIT?
Justin/12/KY What is exactly the one week splash program at MIT?
kedlaya
2010-10-05 20:48:37
For short, it's a program for high school students with classes taught by MIT students on anything they want.
For short, it's a program for high school students with classes taught by MIT students on anything they want.
SonyWii
2010-10-05 20:48:49
Surya / 10 / MA: Our school doesn't have weighted GPA; will MIT weight the GPA anyway with their own scale?
Surya / 10 / MA: Our school doesn't have weighted GPA; will MIT weight the GPA anyway with their own scale?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:48:50
No. We don't calculate or recalculate. We will mostly be looking at the individual course choices and the grades in those courses rather than a summary statistic like GPA.
No. We don't calculate or recalculate. We will mostly be looking at the individual course choices and the grades in those courses rather than a summary statistic like GPA.
LotharCollatz
2010-10-05 20:49:12
Karan/ 11/ Canada: If a student were to come from an area with little oppertunitiy for internships etc. , would you take that into consideration during the admissions process?
Karan/ 11/ Canada: If a student were to come from an area with little oppertunitiy for internships etc. , would you take that into consideration during the admissions process?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:49:14
Yes
Yes
suhuawang
2010-10-05 20:50:11
Derek / 10 / TX : How important is class rank? For example, in a class of 700 or so, how high up would you have to be to be "considered"?
Derek / 10 / TX : How important is class rank? For example, in a class of 700 or so, how high up would you have to be to be "considered"?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:50:12
HS rankings work in different ways. For example, at some HS if you take music your rank will go down, which is sad. As such, we will mostly be looking at the individual course choices and the grades in those courses rather than a summary statistic like rank.
HS rankings work in different ways. For example, at some HS if you take music your rank will go down, which is sad. As such, we will mostly be looking at the individual course choices and the grades in those courses rather than a summary statistic like rank.
dragonx
2010-10-05 20:50:14
Aishvar/14/VA What do the students mostly do in their free time apart from studying?
Aishvar/14/VA What do the students mostly do in their free time apart from studying?
kedlaya
2010-10-05 20:50:15
Aishvar: there are lots of student activities on campus (art, music, sports, cultural). MIT students have a reputation for putting a lot of energy not just into their classes but also into their extracurricular activities (including some of the more offbeat ones, like staging elaborate pranks or "hacks").
Aishvar: there are lots of student activities on campus (art, music, sports, cultural). MIT students have a reputation for putting a lot of energy not just into their classes but also into their extracurricular activities (including some of the more offbeat ones, like staging elaborate pranks or "hacks").
Sami21
2010-10-05 20:50:36
Sami / 13 / IL: Does MIT consider ACT scores too?
Sami / 13 / IL: Does MIT consider ACT scores too?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:50:38
Yes. You can take SAT, ACT, or TOEFL.
Yes. You can take SAT, ACT, or TOEFL.
MMPC39
2010-10-05 20:50:49
Alan/11/MI: Does MIT have a competing Quiz Bowl Team?
Alan/11/MI: Does MIT have a competing Quiz Bowl Team?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:50:50
Yes, I was on it!
Yes, I was on it!
LotharCollatz
2010-10-05 20:51:08
Karan / 11 / Canada: Does MIT have a debate team?
Karan / 11 / Canada: Does MIT have a debate team?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:51:09
Yes, they are very good!
Yes, they are very good!
Math Geek
2010-10-05 20:51:43
Sitan/11/GA: Sorry, I asked this question previously, but I don't think it was answered. Does the teacher writing the letter of recommendation have to be a teacher from my own school, or can it be a university professor I know well?
Sitan/11/GA: Sorry, I asked this question previously, but I don't think it was answered. Does the teacher writing the letter of recommendation have to be a teacher from my own school, or can it be a university professor I know well?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:51:44
I would recommend your recommendations be from teachers at your school, but a professor could write a supplemental letter.
I would recommend your recommendations be from teachers at your school, but a professor could write a supplemental letter.
supersweet
2010-10-05 20:52:09
shiyu/11/MI: I didn't get my answer: do non-Green Card holders apply from the "international students pool"?
shiyu/11/MI: I didn't get my answer: do non-Green Card holders apply from the "international students pool"?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:52:10
Domestic students have US citizenship or a green card. Everyone else is considered international.
Domestic students have US citizenship or a green card. Everyone else is considered international.
The-Pi-Avenger
2010-10-05 20:52:11
Chan-Soo/10/CA: Is it possible to go to a 2-year college and transfer to MIT for the 3rd year?
Chan-Soo/10/CA: Is it possible to go to a 2-year college and transfer to MIT for the 3rd year?
kedlaya
2010-10-05 20:52:12
Chan-Soo: yes in principle, but transfer admission is *very* selective.
Chan-Soo: yes in principle, but transfer admission is *very* selective.
jackandraka
2010-10-05 20:52:49
How do you view high middle school achievments such as SSP, Young Scientist, and Mathcounts
How do you view high middle school achievments such as SSP, Young Scientist, and Mathcounts
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:52:51
We will mostly focus on HS things, but MS enrichment is good for your education.
We will mostly focus on HS things, but MS enrichment is good for your education.
jing
2010-10-05 20:53:19
Jingwen/12/Ontario, Canada: Would you say that the life science programs leading to a career in medicine are a particular forte at MIT, despite the emphasis on the physical sciences (math, physics, cs, etc)?
Jingwen/12/Ontario, Canada: Would you say that the life science programs leading to a career in medicine are a particular forte at MIT, despite the emphasis on the physical sciences (math, physics, cs, etc)?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:53:21
MIT has arguably the best biology program in the US (See the new NRC rankings).
MIT has arguably the best biology program in the US (See the new NRC rankings).
Jasmine8925
2010-10-05 20:54:05
do you care about geographic diversity? would it be easier to get in for someone from the west coast than someone on the east coast?
do you care about geographic diversity? would it be easier to get in for someone from the west coast than someone on the east coast?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:54:06
Nope. Actually, we have more students at MIT from California than anywhere else!
Nope. Actually, we have more students at MIT from California than anywhere else!
ktz2014
2010-10-05 20:54:22
Kamran/9/Tennessee: Has Mr. McGann ever qualified for the USAMO?
Kamran/9/Tennessee: Has Mr. McGann ever qualified for the USAMO?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:54:23
No.
No.
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:54:34
But Dr. Kedlaya rocked it multiple times.
But Dr. Kedlaya rocked it multiple times.
OneShotSniper
2010-10-05 20:55:00
(Youngseok Kim/11th grade-Junior/NY/USA) What is the average Subject test range?
(Youngseok Kim/11th grade-Junior/NY/USA) What is the average Subject test range?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:55:05
Lots of test score stats here:http://www.mitadmissions.org/topics/apply/admissions_statistics/index.shtml
Lots of test score stats here:http://www.mitadmissions.org/topics/apply/admissions_statistics/index.shtml
Potential5
2010-10-05 20:55:30
Bhaskar/11/PA: How is MIT for theoretical physics and math; are there research opportunities in those fields for undergraduates?
Bhaskar/11/PA: How is MIT for theoretical physics and math; are there research opportunities in those fields for undergraduates?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:55:31
Yes. Many many many opportunities.
Yes. Many many many opportunities.
kedlaya
2010-10-05 20:55:41
Kamran: many students (not just MOP/IMO participants) test out of both one-variable and multivariable calculus. The placement exams are offered at the start of the academic year. It is possible to test out of higher subjects (like differential equations) but it's more difficult: you have to submit some problem sets in addition to passing the placement exam.
Kamran: many students (not just MOP/IMO participants) test out of both one-variable and multivariable calculus. The placement exams are offered at the start of the academic year. It is possible to test out of higher subjects (like differential equations) but it's more difficult: you have to submit some problem sets in addition to passing the placement exam.
ktz2014
2010-10-05 20:55:44
Kamran/9/Tennessee: If you have gone to MOP and maybe IMO, could you skip test out of the caluclus classes and even some higher level math courses?
Kamran/9/Tennessee: If you have gone to MOP and maybe IMO, could you skip test out of the caluclus classes and even some higher level math courses?
mathwiz314
2010-10-05 20:55:46
Wayne/10/Florida: Are there any state quotas for admission?
Wayne/10/Florida: Are there any state quotas for admission?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:55:47
Not at all. Many Floridians here.
Not at all. Many Floridians here.
rd5493
2010-10-05 20:56:19
Rocky/12/WV: Does MIT take into account whether or not you have visited the campus when reviewing your application? I have heard this used as an excuse for denail.
Rocky/12/WV: Does MIT take into account whether or not you have visited the campus when reviewing your application? I have heard this used as an excuse for denail.
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:56:20
Not at MIT. Admissions at MIT does not use "demonstrated interest."
Not at MIT. Admissions at MIT does not use "demonstrated interest."
kostya
2010-10-05 20:56:41
Kostya / 12 / PA: Does MIT look more favorably upon other international olympiads, such as the IChO, than other comparable schools?
Kostya / 12 / PA: Does MIT look more favorably upon other international olympiads, such as the IChO, than other comparable schools?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:56:42
I can't speak for other schools, but we love the IChO.
I can't speak for other schools, but we love the IChO.
tonypr
2010-10-05 20:57:00
Anthony/11/Puerto Rico: Are other international math competitions, like the Centro American Math Olympiad or the Ibero American Math Olympiad, taken into account as well?
Anthony/11/Puerto Rico: Are other international math competitions, like the Centro American Math Olympiad or the Ibero American Math Olympiad, taken into account as well?
kedlaya
2010-10-05 20:57:01
Anthony: yes! MIT admits students from all over the world, and we factor in whatever Olympiad-style contests are appropriate for your location.
Anthony: yes! MIT admits students from all over the world, and we factor in whatever Olympiad-style contests are appropriate for your location.
MathDork135
2010-10-05 20:57:09
Shirley/11/Pa: Are canadians considered international students?
Shirley/11/Pa: Are canadians considered international students?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:57:10
Yes. We don't think of Canada as the 51st state!
Yes. We don't think of Canada as the 51st state!
kdog
2010-10-05 20:57:25
Keyur/12/PA: How much does the achievement of an Eagle Scout rank in boy scouts contribute to admission at MIT?
Keyur/12/PA: How much does the achievement of an Eagle Scout rank in boy scouts contribute to admission at MIT?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:57:27
It would be considered.
It would be considered.
jjx1
2010-10-05 20:58:35
Andrew/15/WI: It says you recommend 4 years of math, but I have a dilemma. At the end of Junior year, I will have taken all math classes available at my high school( highest is AP Calculus BC) and will nly have 3 years of math. The only option I have is going to UW-Madison to take a math class, but it is very inconvenient for my schedule. What should I do?
Andrew/15/WI: It says you recommend 4 years of math, but I have a dilemma. At the end of Junior year, I will have taken all math classes available at my high school( highest is AP Calculus BC) and will nly have 3 years of math. The only option I have is going to UW-Madison to take a math class, but it is very inconvenient for my schedule. What should I do?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:58:36
You don't need to do things not offered at your school. I know going to the university can be time consuming. (You can consider EPGY, CTY, or AOPS if you like, though)
You don't need to do things not offered at your school. I know going to the university can be time consuming. (You can consider EPGY, CTY, or AOPS if you like, though)
number.sense
2010-10-05 20:58:57
Nik, 10, CA: By the end of this year, I will be done with Latin 4AP. Should I take another foreign language after this, or is it okay if I stop?
Nik, 10, CA: By the end of this year, I will be done with Latin 4AP. Should I take another foreign language after this, or is it okay if I stop?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:58:58
You can stop if you like, at least for MIT.
You can stop if you like, at least for MIT.
skanmath
2010-10-05 20:59:29
Sandy/10/PA: Does HCSIM count in one of those math camps you mentioned.
Sandy/10/PA: Does HCSIM count in one of those math camps you mentioned.
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:59:30
Sure, I visited there this summer, too!
Sure, I visited there this summer, too!
jackandraka
2010-10-05 20:59:47
Is it okay if your dont play any sports or musical instruments
Is it okay if your dont play any sports or musical instruments
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 20:59:48
Yes. But I hope you're doing more than just playing XBOX!
Yes. But I hope you're doing more than just playing XBOX!
The-Pi-Avenger
2010-10-05 21:00:05
Chan-Soo/10/CA: How do you accomodate ADA students? Are they at a disadvantage?
Chan-Soo/10/CA: How do you accomodate ADA students? Are they at a disadvantage?
kedlaya
2010-10-05 21:00:05
Chan-Soo: There is an office on campus that certifies ADA disabilities, and those students can request appropriate accommodations (e.g., extra time for exams).
Chan-Soo: There is an office on campus that certifies ADA disabilities, and those students can request appropriate accommodations (e.g., extra time for exams).
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 21:00:31
FYI: We've been going strong for 90 minutes, and will need to wrap up soon...
FYI: We've been going strong for 90 minutes, and will need to wrap up soon...
kedlaya
2010-10-05 21:00:42
Yes, maybe just a couple more questions.
Yes, maybe just a couple more questions.
stellaffaith
2010-10-05 21:01:23
Stella/12/CT: Sorry to post this again, but I do need the answer: Is it required for non-native speakers to take a foreign language in high school? (English is their second language......) Thank you.
Stella/12/CT: Sorry to post this again, but I do need the answer: Is it required for non-native speakers to take a foreign language in high school? (English is their second language......) Thank you.
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 21:01:25
Not required.
Not required.
jjx1
2010-10-05 21:01:49
Andrew/15/WI Does MIT take legacy into account?
Andrew/15/WI Does MIT take legacy into account?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 21:01:50
We do not have a legacy preference.
We do not have a legacy preference.
mathq
2010-10-05 21:01:55
Daniel/10/ON : I am interested in doing math major, do professors help you say in research or a project? in other words, do teachers devote their time on you?
Daniel/10/ON : I am interested in doing math major, do professors help you say in research or a project? in other words, do teachers devote their time on you?
kedlaya
2010-10-05 21:01:55
Daniel: to some extent it's up to you. Many professors (like me) are willing to supervise research projects, but typically it's up to the student to ask first.
Daniel: to some extent it's up to you. Many professors (like me) are willing to supervise research projects, but typically it's up to the student to ask first.
jackandraka
2010-10-05 21:02:05
Do you prefer excentric languages like Turkish over common languages such as Spanish
Do you prefer excentric languages like Turkish over common languages such as Spanish
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 21:02:07
No.
No.
number.sense
2010-10-05 21:02:50
Nik, 10, CA: I don't think that this was answered: I have finished Calculus BC, Multivariable Calculus, and Differential equations. This fall, I will be doing group theory with AOPS. But after that, what do you reccomend?
Nik, 10, CA: I don't think that this was answered: I have finished Calculus BC, Multivariable Calculus, and Differential equations. This fall, I will be doing group theory with AOPS. But after that, what do you reccomend?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 21:02:52
Oy, I don't know! Maybe some independent research? MIT OpenCourseWare? <http://ocw.mit.edu> Course at a local college?
Oy, I don't know! Maybe some independent research? MIT OpenCourseWare? <http://ocw.mit.edu> Course at a local college?
Maria543
2010-10-05 21:03:21
Maria/12/fl: is physics required for admission?
Maria/12/fl: is physics required for admission?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 21:03:22
Not technically required, but we strongly recommend it. Sometimes students who are doing IB or A Level don't have it, for example.
Not technically required, but we strongly recommend it. Sometimes students who are doing IB or A Level don't have it, for example.
Math-Open
2010-10-05 21:03:26
shir/9/usa: what's the career outlook for a math student graduating from MIT?
shir/9/usa: what's the career outlook for a math student graduating from MIT?
kedlaya
2010-10-05 21:03:27
Shir: Math students from MIT have a lot of options. Some go on to graduate study in math (at all of the top schools: Harvard, Princeton, and of course MIT!). Others do graduate work in physics, computer science, biology, etc. Others go into finance, IT...
Shir: Math students from MIT have a lot of options. Some go on to graduate study in math (at all of the top schools: Harvard, Princeton, and of course MIT!). Others do graduate work in physics, computer science, biology, etc. Others go into finance, IT...
rrusczyk
2010-10-05 21:03:50
Others work for AoPS :)
Others work for AoPS :)
SonyWii
2010-10-05 21:04:36
Surya / 10 / MA: Will you be willing to answer questions via email outside of this math jam?
Surya / 10 / MA: Will you be willing to answer questions via email outside of this math jam?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 21:04:36
I do take questions at my blog, and will try to answer questions in the AOPS college forum.
I do take questions at my blog, and will try to answer questions in the AOPS college forum.
gogators
2010-10-05 21:04:54
Will a transcript of this be available?
Will a transcript of this be available?
Complex_Ninja
2010-10-05 21:04:54
Ritvik/12/Canada: Is writing national math olympiads taken into consideration, or is it only the international one?
Ritvik/12/Canada: Is writing national math olympiads taken into consideration, or is it only the international one?
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 21:04:55
Yes!
Yes!
kedlaya
2010-10-05 21:04:55
Ritvik: Yes! How you did in the qualification process for your country's IMO team is also a factor.
Ritvik: Yes! How you did in the qualification process for your country's IMO team is also a factor.
rrusczyk
2010-10-05 21:05:15
I will be putting the transcript up shortly after this ends.
I will be putting the transcript up shortly after this ends.
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 21:05:16
I mean, yes, there will be a transcript available.
I mean, yes, there will be a transcript available.
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 21:05:47
Thank you all for coming, this was lots of fun!
Thank you all for coming, this was lots of fun!
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 21:05:55
Sorry we couldn't get to all of your questions!
Sorry we couldn't get to all of your questions!
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 21:06:09
(There were lots more I would have loved to answer...)
(There were lots more I would have loved to answer...)
kedlaya
2010-10-05 21:06:10
Yes, there were plenty of excellent questions, far more than we could answer.
Yes, there were plenty of excellent questions, far more than we could answer.
rrusczyk
2010-10-05 21:06:13
Thanks much to Matt and Kiran!
Thanks much to Matt and Kiran!
PhireKaLk6781
2010-10-05 21:07:13
Thanks very much for the information. :)
Thanks very much for the information. :)
SonyWii
2010-10-05 21:07:13
Thank you so much, I hope I can meet you at MIT someday! :D
Thank you so much, I hope I can meet you at MIT someday! :D
kostya
2010-10-05 21:07:13
Thanks!
Thanks!
ahaanomegas
2010-10-05 21:07:13
(Ahaan / Grade 11 / FL, USA): Thank you for your time Mr. Matt and Mr. Kedlaya. This was so helpful. (
(Ahaan / Grade 11 / FL, USA): Thank you for your time Mr. Matt and Mr. Kedlaya. This was so helpful. (
vishnu101
2010-10-05 21:07:13
(round of applause)
(round of applause)
AlphaBetaTheta
2010-10-05 21:07:13
:-D
:-D
DhavalG
2010-10-05 21:07:13
Thank you!
Thank you!
prithvi2206
2010-10-05 21:07:13
Prithvi/12/Trinidad: Thanks for answering our questions!!
Prithvi/12/Trinidad: Thanks for answering our questions!!
GoldenFrog1618
2010-10-05 21:07:13
thanks!
thanks!
bokagadha
2010-10-05 21:07:30
Thank you!
Thank you!
Sami21
2010-10-05 21:07:31
Thanks for answering!
Thanks for answering!
Osud2
2010-10-05 21:07:31
And thanks to AoPS for hosting this.
And thanks to AoPS for hosting this.
mathwiz314
2010-10-05 21:07:31
thank you for answering our questions!
thank you for answering our questions!
william22
2010-10-05 21:07:31
Thank you!
Thank you!
177dum
2010-10-05 21:07:31
THANK YOU!
THANK YOU!
gihun9578
2010-10-05 21:07:43
Thank you
Thank you
Cyndaquil
2010-10-05 21:07:43
Thank you.
Thank you.
mertznick
2010-10-05 21:07:43
Thanks for the information!
Thanks for the information!
Maz906
2010-10-05 21:07:43
thanks!
thanks!
Prog
2010-10-05 21:07:43
Thank you!
Thank you!
Chaos
2010-10-05 21:07:43
:rose:
:rose:
kedlaya
2010-10-05 21:07:58
Many thanks to Richard and AOPS for organizing this event once again!
Many thanks to Richard and AOPS for organizing this event once again!
MattMcGannMIT
2010-10-05 21:08:14
Yes, AOPS is awesome, many thanks!
Yes, AOPS is awesome, many thanks!
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